Kollel Iyun Hadaf Sotah 003: Rebbi Meir - man transgresses secretly

 Kollel Iyun Hadaf Sotah 003: Rebbi Meir - man transgresses secretly

Sotah 003: Rebbi Meir - man transgresses secretly H. D. asks: It seems to me to contradict what principle there had been behind those who are killed by beis din not being left to hang until morning. The transgression couldn't be more repugnant per se than those of the herugi beis din. Isn't R. Meyer being specific to the case of the accused woman being exonerated, in that he says, "man transgresses," and woman not? The Kollel replies: It is wonderful to hear from you! This is a very important question and for the moment I am going to give a short answer, but it requires a lot more thought. 1) The verse (Devarim 25:2-3) states, "Your brother was ashamed before your eyes," and Chazal say (see Makos 23a) that once he has been shamed by receiving his punishment, he is again "your brother" and you must not embarass him any more. So the Harugei Beis Din must not remain hanging until the next morning since they have received their punishment and are equal to everyone else while the immoral couple have not yet received a punishment, and one of the purposes of the Torah's punishment is certainly to shame the offenders. 2) I found in the Sefer Divrei Shlomo (by Rav Shlomo Mohre, published in 1906) on Parshas Naso, top of page 35a, that he cites the Yad Yosef who asks why it says "the man transgresses," not the woman. He answers with the Gemara below on 10a where Rebbi Yochanan says that if a man is immoral his wife will follow suit and also be immoral. But the problem started with the husband. 3) I want to suggest a different answer to the second part of this question -- why does Rebbi Meir say "man transgresses"? a) The answer is based on Bereshis 5:2 which tells us that Hashem created the male and female, blessed them "and called their name Adam." We learn that the word "Adam" is a general name for both male and female. Our Gemara uses the word "Adam" for the person who does the Aveirah, so this can also mean that the woman transgressed. b) Another proof that the word "Adam" includes women is from Bereshit 9:16, "He who spills the blood of the Adam in Adam" is liable for capital punishment. The Gemara in Sanhedrin 57b cites Rebbi Yishmael who learns from this verse that Bnei Noach are liable for capital punishment for abortion. This is becuase the fetus is an "Adam inside an Adam," a person inside an Adam, namely his mother. We see again that a woman is called "Adam." c) Further support to the idea that the word "Adam" used in our Gemara refers to both man and woman is as follows. We find in several other places in Shas that the phrase "Adam Over Aveirah" is used as it is here. Berachos 28b states, "When 'Adam Over Aveirah' he says 'I hope nobody will see me....'" Yoma 86b states, "When 'Adam Over Aveirah' for the first time he is forgiven...." In both of these Gemaras it is clear that it applies equally to a man as to a woman. 4) Back to the source from Makos 23a that I cited in the first answer: I can cite a slightly clearer phrase from Rashi in Shevuos 28a (DH Hasam Ratz) who cites the Gemara in Makos 23a and uses the phrase כיון שנקלה אחיך הוא, "Once he has been shamed he is your brother." But it is only after he has already been shamed that we say that we cannot let him suffer more. Dovid Bloom

Please Mr. Netanyahu, Mr. Ben Gvir, Mr. Smotrich and Mr. Gallant unite and bring Hashem’s Righteousness back to the Har HaBayit? Under HaShem’s Righteousness the Har HaBayit shall become a Prayer House for all peoples. Jews, Muslims, and Christians when they put away Avoda Zara and their false doctrines…… By annulling that covenant made with the Islamic authorities in ’67 on the Har Habayit and all other covenants, banning all crimes and abominations by PA, Hamas and Islamic Jihad with an Iron fist declaring Jewish Sovereignty in all the Land Hashem gave the Jewish People in ’67.

בבקשה מר נתניהו, מר בן גביר, מר סמוטריץ' ומר גלנט תתאחדו והחזירו את צדקת ה' להר הבית,? תחת צדקת השם הר הבית יהפוך לבית תפילה לכל העמים: יהודים, מוסלמים ונוצרים כשהם מסירים עבודה זרה ואת דוקטרינות השקר שלהם... על ידי ביטול הברית שנכרתה עם השלטונות האיסלאמיים בשנת 67' על הר הבית וכל שאר הבריתות, איסור על כל הפשעים והתועבות שנעשות על ידי הרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס והג'יהאד האסלאמי. והכרזת ריבונות יהודית על כל ארץ ישראל.

Come let us Pray that Hashem's Righteousness shall 'return' to the Har haBayit and the whole of Eretz Israel. בוא נתפלל שצדקת ה' 'תשוב' להר הבית ולארץ ישראל כולה. Free to study all Jewish Scripture: חופשי ללמוד את כל כתבי הקודש היהודיים: Sefaria Calendar - לוח שנה ספריה     Our Prayer and hope: All the gates to the Har haBayit have to be opened for Jews and non-Jews seven days in the week 24 hours a day. The Jews need to have the freedom to go with Tefillin, Tallit and Torah Scroll up on the Mountain to serve Hashem. And do קידה ('Kidah' prostate, laying down, before Hashem) Everyone showing his/her respect for the Jewish and all other religions. But NOT for the words/deeds/sins spoken against any word of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu and the 'real' teachings of the Jewish Rabbis. The Jews must be the guardians of the Har haBayit. תפילתנו ותקוותנו: כל שערי הר הבית צריכים להיפתח עבור יהודים ולא-יהודים שבעה ימים בשבוע 24 שעות ביממה. ליהודים צריך להיות חופש ללכת עם תפילין, טלית וספר תורה במעלה ההר כדי לשרת את ה' ולקוד קידה .מתוך הפגנת כבוד ליהודים ולכל הדתות האחרות, אבל לא למילים/למעשים/לחטאים הנאמרים נגד תורת משה רבנו. מלמודי רבנים, היהודים חייבים להיות שומרי הר הבית.     Let's pray for a death sentence for the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah and for the continuation of the Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria. The Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Hezbollah must disappear. Enough of the hatred from the world (the USA, the European Union, and the UN!) against the Jewish people.   בואו נתפלל לגזר דין מוות לרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס, חיזבאללה ולמען התיישבות יהודית ביהודה ושומרון. הרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס וחיזבאללה חייבים להעלם. די לשנאה מהעולם (ארה"ב, האיחוד האירופי והאו"ם!) נגד העם היהודי! The Jews have the mission to change the Har HaBayit, from her situation now, into a Prayer House for all peoples based on the Torah Law of Moshe Rabbeinu.   על היהודים מוטלת המשימה לשנות את הר הבית, ממצבו הקיים, לבית תפילה לכל העמים על פי חוק התורה של משה רבנו.   Ariel, hopefully your Representee אריאל, מקווה שהנציג שלך     Click: If you have Prayer Requests By Har HaBait Jewish Sovereign for all Israel I pray as a Jew when I bring your prayers.