Kollel Iyun Hadaf Outline of the Daf: Sotah 21-25
Outline of the Daf: Sotah 21-25
OF THE DAF
prepared by Rabbi Pesach Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
MERIT SUSPENDS PUNISHMENT (cont.)
Answer: The Mishnah is like R. Yishmael. Another verse shows that Hash-m's can delay three times as long;
"Hash-m said, I will not punish until three transgressions of Edom."
Question: Why did R. Yishmael say this is not a proof?
Answer: Perhaps Hash-m is slower to punish Nochrim. (He allows them to sin until they deserve destruction.)
(Mishnah): Some merit can suspend for three years...
Question: Which merit is this?
It cannot be merit of Torah. A woman is not commanded!
Answer #1: It is the merit of Mitzvos.
Objection: The merit of Mitzvos does not protect so much!
(Beraisa - R. Menachem bar Yosi): "For a Mitzvah is (like) a lamp, and Torah is light" - just like a lamp illuminates only temporarily, a Mitzvah protects only temporarily;
Just like light always illuminates, Torah always protects.
"When you walk, it (Torah) will give you to rest" - in this world;
"When you lie down, it will guard you" - in death;
"When you wake up, it will advocate for you" - in the world to come.
A parable for this is a man walking in the black of the night. He fears thorns, pits, wild beasts, and robbers. Also, he does not know on which path he is walking.
If he gets a torch, this saves him from thorns and pits. He still fears wild beasts and robbers; and does not know on which path he is walking;
When dawn comes, he is saved from wild beasts and robbers, but he still does not know on which path he is walking;
When he gets to the crossroads, he is saved from all his concerns.
"Great waters cannot extinguish the love" - a sin can inhibit the reward for a Mitzvah, but not the reward for Torah.
Answer #1 (Rav Yosef): A Mitzvah protects (from punishment) and saves (from sin) when one is doing it. Afterwards, it protects, but does not save;
Torah protects and saves, even when not engaging in it.
Objection (Rava): Doeg and Achitofel engaged in Torah, but it didn't save them from sin!
Answer #2 (Rava): Rather, Torah protects and saves when engaging in it. When not engaging in it, it only protects;
A Mitzvah protects but does not save, both when doing the Mitzvah and when not doing it.
Answer #2 (to Question (e) - Ravina): Really, the merit of Torah can give a woman three years;
Even though she is not commanded to learn, since she brings her sons to learn Chumash and Mishnah, and misses her husband when he is learning, she shares in their reward.
Question: In the parable, what does the crossroads symbolize?
Answer #1 (Rav Chisda): It is a Chacham who comes to the day of his death.
Answer #2 (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): It is a Chacham who obtains fear of sin.
Answer #3 (Mar Zutra): It is a Chacham whose words are accepted to be the Halachah.
CAN ONE LOSE THE REWARD FOR TORAH AND MITZVOS? [line 37]
(Beraisa (above)): A sin can inhibit the reward for a Mitzvah, but not the reward for Torah.
Rav Yosef: R. Menachem bar Yosi expounded the verses as if he received them on Har Sinai! Had Doeg and Achitofel expounded thusly, they would not have sought the downfall of David;
"They say 'Hashem has abandoned him.'"
Question: Why did they think so?
Answer: "Hash-m will not see in you a matter of sexual immorality, lest He turn away from you";
They did not realize that a sin can inhibit the reward for a Mitzvah, but not the reward for (David's) Torah.
Question: What do we learn from "Boz Yavuzu Lo (they will scorn him)"?
Answer (Ula): This does not refer to Shimon, the brother of Azaryah (he was called so, for his brother supported him); nor R. Yochanan, (who was supported by the Nasi). Rather, it refers to Hillel and Shevna.
(Rav Dimi): Hillel and Shevna were brothers; Hillel engaged in Torah, Shevna in business.
Shevna: Let us be partners, and split the rewards (in this and the next worlds).
A voice from Heaven: "If a man would give all his wealth for love (Torah learning), they will scorn him." (Magen Avos (1:14) - Shevna is scorned, for he did not offer to support Hillel before he learned. R. Yerucham (Toldos Adam v'Chavah 2:5 - if one tried to sell the reward for what he already learned, he loses it (and will be scorned). Maharsha - Shimon and R. Yochanan were scorned in this world (they were called by the name of their supporters) and the next (they lost half the reward for their learning). The Maharsha explains Ula to teach that one should not do like Shimon or R. Yochanan. Rather, he should refuse, like Hillel.)
TEACHING TORAH TO WOMEN [line 1]
(Mishnah - Ben Azai): A man is obligated to teach... R. Eliezer says, one who teaches his daughter Torah teaches her Tiflus (folly, or promiscuity).
Objection: You cannot say that he teaches her Tiflus!
Correction: Rather, it is as if he teaches her Tiflus. (Rambam - she will not understand it properly. Rashi - she will learn how to conceal her deeds.)
(R. Avahu): R. Eliezer learns from "I (the Torah) am Chachmah, my neighbor is Ormah (craftiness)" - once a person learns Chachmah, craftiness enters him. (This is bad for a woman. She is easily swayed, perhaps she will use it for sin.)
Chachamim expound the verse like R. Yosi bar Chanina.
(R. Yosi bar Chanina): "I am Chachmah, my neighbor is Ormah (related to the word Arum - naked)" - Torah endures only in one who strips himself (of possessions).
(R. Yochanan): Torah endures only in one who makes himself like nothing - "Chachmah me'Ayin (from where - the word may be read 'from nothing') will be found.
(Mishnah - R. Yehoshua): A woman prefers one Kav...
Question: What does he teach?
Answer: A woman prefers one Kav (of food, i.e. sparse rations) and frequent Bi'ah with her husband, to nine Kabim and abstention. (Rashi - since she disdains abstention, it is not good to teach Torah to her. Tosfos - normally, one gives to his wife two Kabim of wheat per week (Kesuvos 64b). One who forbids Bi'ah through a vow adds three Zuz to her Kesuvah each week, which can be used to buy 18 Kabim. She prefers the former.)
THOSE WHO DESTROY THE WORLD [line 17]
(Mishnah - R. Yehoshua): A foolish Chasid...
Question: What is an example of a foolish Chasid?
Answer: When a woman is drowning in the river, he will not save her, to avoid looking at a woman.
Question: What is an example of a crafty Rasha?
Answer #1 (R. Yochanan): He presents his case to the judge before his opponent comes.
Answer #2 (R. Avahu): He gives one Zuz to a Oni (poor person), so that the Oni will now have 200 Zuz;
(Mishnah): One who has 200 Zuz may not take agricultural gifts for the poor, i.e. dropped sheaves, forgotten produce, the unharvested corner of the field, and the tithe for the poor.
One who has 199 Zuz may accept gifts for the poor, even if 1000 people give to him at once.
Answer #3 (Rav Asi): He counsels sons to sell a small estate (i.e. insufficient to feed all the orphans until the girls grow up. It should be used to feed the daughters);
(Rav Asi): If sons sold a small estate, the sale stands.
Answer #4 (Abaye): He counsels to sell property received on condition (that another will receive what remains), like R. Shimon ben Gamliel's law:
(Beraisa - Rebbi): If one said 'I give my property to Reuven. After him, it should go to Ploni', and Reuven sold it, Ploni takes it from the buyers;
R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, Ploni receives only what Reuven leaves over when he dies.
Answer #5 (Rav Yosef bar Chama): He persuades others to go in his (evil) ways.
Answer #6 (R. Zerika): He is lenient for himself and stringent for others.
Answer #7 (Ula): He learned written Torah and Mishnah, but not the reasons behind the Mishnayos and resolutions of their difficulties. (He is a Rasha, because it sounds like he knows and people honor him, but really one may not rely on him.)
AN IGNORAMUS [line 2]
Opinion #1 (R. Elazar): If one learned written Torah and Mishnah, but not the reasons and resolutions of the Mishnayos, he is an ignoramus;
Opinion #2 (R. Shmuel bar Nachmani): He is a Bor (crude, empty person).
Opinion #3 (R. Yanai): He is like a Kusi (after Sancheriv exiled the 10 tribes, he settled Nochrim (called Kusim) in their place. The Kusim converted to avoid being eaten by lions, but did not accept the Oral Torah.)
Opinion #4 (R. Acha bar Yakov): He is like a witch.
Support (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): A witch says things, without knowing what they mean. This one recites teachings, without understanding them!
(Beraisa - R. Meir): An ignoramus is one who does not recite Shema Yisrael with its Berachos, morning and evening;
Chachamim say, it is one who does not don Tefilin;
Ben Azai says, it is one who does not have Tzitzis on his garment;
R. Yonasan ben Yosef says, it is one who has children and does not raise them to learn Torah;
Others say, even if he learned written Torah and Mishnah, but not the reasons and resolutions of the Mishnayos, he is an ignoramus;
If he learned written Torah but not Mishnah, he is a Bor;
"I will plant Beis Yisrael and Beis Yehudah, the seed of men and the seed of animals" refers to one who did not learn Torah or Mishnah.
(R. Yitzchak): "My son, fear Hash-m and the king; do not mingle with Shonim" - Shonim are those who recite Mishnayos.
Question: This is obvious!
Answer: One might have thought that it means those who repeat a sin.
(Rav Huna): If one sins and repeats the sin, it becomes permitted (in his eyes) to him.
(Beraisa): Those who recite teachings destroy the world.
Question: Can this really be?!
Answer (Ravina): Yes, because they rule based on the (simple reading of) Mishnayos (without truly understanding them).
Support (Beraisa - R. Yehoshua) Question: How can one say they destroy the world? They establish the world!
"Halichos (the ways) of the world are to him" (to one who learns Halachos).
Answer: They destroy the world, because they rule based on the Mishnayos.
PERUSHIM [line 27]
(Mishnah): A woman who is a Perushah...
(Beraisa): The following destroy the world: a virgin who prays excessively, a widow who is frequent among her neighbors, and a youth whose months were not fulfilled.
Question: R. Yochanan said that we learned fear of sin from a (particular) virgin, and (strategies for) receiving reward from a widow.
R. Yochanan heard a virgin fall on her face and pray that men should not stumble with her and lose their world to come.
There was a widow who used to pray every day in R. Yochanan's Beis Medrash, even though there was a Beis ha'Keneses near her.
R. Yochanan: Isn't there a Beis ha'Keneses near you?
The widow: I come here to receive reward for each step!
Answer: People like Yuchni bas Rativi (a witch who made people think that her prayers saved women from difficult births) destroy the world.
Question: What is a youth whose months were not fulfilled?
Answer #1 (Chachamim of Bavel): It is a Chacham who rebels against his Rabbis.
Answer #2 (R. Aba): It is a Talmid who is not qualified to rule, and gives rulings.
(R. Avahu): "She made fall many corpses" refers to a Chacham who is not qualified to rule, and rules;
"Awesome are the amount she has killed" refers to a Chacham who is qualified to rule, and does not rule.
Question: What is the proper age to rule?
Answer: It is 40 years.
Objection: Rabah ruled younger than this!
Answer: Rabah was as great like the greatest Chacham in the city. (In such a case, even one less than 40 may rule.)
(Mishnah): Blows of Perushim...
(Beraisa): There are seven types of (improper) Perushim: Shichmi, Nakfi, Kizai, mi'Duchya, one who says 'what is my obligation? I will do it!', from love, and from fear.
Shichmi do not act for Hash-m's sake;
Nakfi shuffle their feet like humble people, and stub their toes;
(Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): Kizai bleed from bumping into walls, like one who closes his eyes to avoid looking at women;
(Rabah bar Shilo): Mi'Duchya walk bent.
Question: It is praiseworthy to say 'what is my obligation? I will do it!'
Correction: Rather, he says 'what else is my obligation? I will do it!' (This implies that he has fulfilled his obligation.)
(Abaye and Rava): From love and fear (of reward or punishment) should not be taught (for these are praiseworthy)!
(Rav Yehudah): One should always engage in Torah and Mitzvos, even Lo Lishmah (with ulterior motives), for this will lead him to do them Lishmah (to become close to Hash-m).
(Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): Some things are hidden from people, and others are revealed. Hash-m's great Beis Din (to which all is revealed) exacts payment from those who (deceivingly) dress like Perushim.
King Yanai (to his wife): You need not fear the true Perushim, nor those who are not Perushim;
You need fear only the colored (those who portray themselves to be Perushim);
They sin like Zimri, and anticipate reward like Pinchas.
MERIT SUSPENDS PUNISHMENT [line 22]
(Mishnah - R. Shimon): Merit does not suspend death of a guilty Sotah;
If it did, women would not fear the water. Also, people would suspect innocent women who survive;
They would say that they are guilty, and merit suspended their death.
Rebbi says, merit suspends the death. She will not give birth or become healthy. Rather, she gets increasingly sick, and eventually dies like the Torah says.
If her Minchah became Tamei before Kidush in a Kli Shares, it is redeemed, like any other Minchah;
If her Minchah became Tamei after Kidush in a Kli Shares, it is burned, like any other Minchah.
DISQUALIFIED MENACHOS [last line of previous Amud]
(Continuation of Mishnah): The Minchah is burned in the following cases: she admitted her guilt; witnesses of her guilt came; she refuses to drink; her husband does not want her to drink; her husband had Bi'ah with her after the seclusion.
If her husband is a Kohen, her Minchah is burned;
Any Minchah of a Bas Yisrael married to a Kohen is (totally) burned;
Any Minchah of a Bas Kohen married to a Yisrael is eaten (except for the Kometz).
Question: What differences are there between a (male) Kohen and a Bas Kohen?
Answer: A Bas Kohen's Minchah is eaten. A Kohen's Minchah is not eaten;
A Bas Kohen becomes disqualified to Kehunah through forbidden Bi'ah. A Kohen does not;
A Bas Kohen may become Tamei Mes. A Kohen may not;
A Kohen may eat Kodshei Kodoshim (the Korbanos with the greatest Kedushah). A Bas Kohen may not.
Question: What differences are there between a man and a woman?
Answer: A male Metzora does Pri'ah (Tana'im argue if this means to let his hair grow, or to bare his head) and tears his clothes. A female Metzora does not;
A man can impose Nezirus on his son. A woman cannot;
A (male) Nazir can bring Korbanos (when he completes Nezirus) from money that his deceased father set aside for his own Nezirus. A Nezirah cannot;
A man can Mekadesh his daughter to a man. A woman cannot Mekadesh her daughter;
A man can sell his daughter to be a slave. A woman cannot sell her daughter;
A man (liable to be stoned) is stoned naked. A woman is not;
(In some cases, after stoning) a man is hanged. A woman is not;
(In some cases) a man is sold to be a slave to pay for his theft. A woman is not.
THE MINCHAH OF A KOHEN'S WIFE [line 22]
(Gemara - Beraisa): The Minchah (voluntary, or of a Sotah) of a Kohen's wife is burned.
Whether her father is a Kohen, Levi, or Yisrael, her Minchah cannot be eaten since her husband has a share in it. We cannot burn the entire Minchah (intact) on the Mizbe'ach, because she has a share in it;
Rather, the Kometz is offered, and the rest is offered by itself.
Question: If something is partially offered on the Mizbe'ach, a Lav (Lo Saktiru) forbids burning the remainder!
Answer (Yehudah, son of R. Shimon ben Pazi): The remainder is offered as if it were wood, like R. Eliezer;
(Beraisa - R. Eliezer): You may not offer (the remainder) for a pleasing scent (i.e. a Korban), but you may offer it like wood.
Question: This is a valid answer according to R. Eliezer. According to Chachamim who argue with R. Eliezer, what is done with the remainder?
Answer: (We burn it on the ash heap), like R. Eliezer b'Rebbi Shimon;
(Beraisa - R. Eliezer b'Rebbi Shimon): The Kometz is offered by itself, and the rest is burned on the ash heap.
Even Chachamim who argue about R. Eliezer b'Rebbi Shimon, argue only about Minchas Chotei of a Kohen, since they hold that it is offered intact (without removing a Kometz). They agree about the Minchah of a Kohen's wife.
(Mishnah): A Bas Yisrael... (any Minchah of a Bas Kohen married to a Yisrael is eaten).
Question: What is the reason?
Answer: It says "every Minchah of a Kohen is entirely burned, it may not be eaten." This applies to a (male) Kohen, not to a Kohenes.
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN [line 8]
(Mishnah): A Bas Kohen becomes disqualified to Kehunah through forbidden Bi'ah. A Kohen does not.
Question: What is the source of this?
Answer: "He will not profane his seed" - a Kohen profanes his seed, but not himself.
(Mishnah): A Bas Kohen may become Tamei Mes.
Question: What is the source of this?
Answer: It says "say to the Kohanim, the sons of Aharon", not the daughters of Aharon.
(Mishnah): A Kohen may eat Kodshei Kodoshim...
We learn from "every male among the children of Aharon will eat it."
(Mishnah): What differences are there between a man and a woman? (A male Metzora does Pri'ah...)
(Beraisa) Suggestion: Perhaps "a man" teaches that only a male Metzora can become a Muchlat (totally Tamei)!
Rejection: "The Metzora who has..." is extra. It includes a woman.
Question: If so, why does it say "A man"?
Answer: This teaches that the subsequent laws of Pri'ah and tearing clothes apply only to a man.
(Mishnah): A man can impose Nezirus on his son. A woman cannot.
This is a tradition from Sinai.
(Mishnah): A Nazir can bring Korbanos from his father's money - a Nezirah cannot.
This is a tradition from Sinai.
(Mishnah): A man can Mekadesh his daughter to a man. A woman cannot.
We learn from "I gave my daughter to this man." (This is said by the father of a Kalah when the Chasan claims that she was not a virgin.)
(Mishnah): A man can sell his daughter to be a slave. A woman cannot.
We learn from "if a man will sell his daughter."
(Mishnah): A man is stoned naked. A woman is not.
Question: What is the source of this?
Answer: "They will stone him."
Question: What does this exclude?
Suggestion: A woman is not stoned.
Rejection: "You will take out the man or the woman (to be stoned)"!
Answer: Rather, a man is stoned (alone, i.e.) without his clothes. A woman is not.
(Mishnah): A man is hanged...
Question: What is the source of this?
Answer: "You will hang him on a tree", but not a woman.
(Mishnah): A man is sold to pay for his theft. A woman is not.
Question: What is the source of this?
Answer: "He will be sold for his theft", not for her theft.
WOMEN WHO DO NOT DRINK [line 32]
(Mishnah): An Arusah (a wife between Kidushin and Nisu'in) or a Shomeres Yavam (she is awaiting Yibum) does not drink or receive a Kesuvah. "Under her husband" excludes them;
The following do not drink or receive a Kesuvah - a widow married to a Kohen Gadol, a divorcee or Chalutzah (one who did Chalitzah) married to a regular Kohen, a Mamzeres (one who descends from Arayos, i.e. incestuous relationships forbidden by Kares) or Nesinah (one of the seven Kena'ani nations) married to a Yisrael, or a Bas Yisrael married to a Mamzer or Nasin.
WOMEN WHO DO NOT DRINK (cont.)
(Continuation of Mishnah): The following do not drink or receive a Kesuvah: a woman who admits that she sinned, or if witnesses testified that she sinned, or she refuses to drink;
If her husband does not want her to drink, or if he had Bi'ah with her after the seclusion, she receives her Kesuvah but does not drink;
Beis Shamai say, if her husband died before she drank, she receives her Kesuvah but does not drink;
Beis Hillel say, either she drinks, or she does not get a Kesuvah.
R. Meir says, if a man married Me'uberes Chaveiro or Meinekes Chaveiro (a woman pregnant with or nursing a baby from another man), she does not drink nor receive a Kesuvah;
Chachamim say, he can separate from her and remarry her (after the nursing period ends. Since she could be married to him later, she may drink.)
If a woman is an Ailonis (she does not develop like a normal female), too old to have children, or unable to have children, she does not drink nor receive a Kesuvah;
R. Eliezer says, her husband can fulfill the Mitzvah of having children through another wife. (Since she could remain with him, she may drink.)
All other women either drink or do not get a Kesuvah.
A Kohen's wife drinks, and is permitted to her husband;
The wife of a Seris may drink. (Rashi Sof 26a - we refer to one who does not develop like a normal male. It cannot be someone castrated, for he may not remain married. Rashi here is a misprint - Maharsha 26a.)
A husband can warn his wife not to be secluded with any Ervah (forbidden relationship), except for a child or one who is not a man.
Beis Din can warn the wife of a man that became deaf, or insane, or was imprisoned;
She may not drink. She is warned, so that if she is secluded, she forfeits her Kesuvah.
R. Yosi says, when her husband is released from jail, he can make her drink.
A SHOMERES YAVAM AND AN ARUSAH [line 23]
(Gemara) Inference: The Mishnah says that an Arusah and a Shomeres Yavam do not drink. This implies that they can be warned.
Question: What is the source of this?
Answer (Beraisa): "Speak to Bnei Yisrael and say" - this is extra, to teach that one may warn an Arusah or a Shomeres Yavam.
Our Mishnah is like R. Yonasan:
(Beraisa - R. Yoshiyah): "Under your husband" excludes an Arusah;
Suggestion: Perhaps even a Shomeres Yavam is excluded!
Rejection: "Ish Ish (a man, a man)" includes her.
R. Yonasan says, "Under your husband" excludes a Shomeres Yavam;
Suggestion: Perhaps an Arusah drinks!
Rejection: "That will stray under her husband" excludes her.
R. Yonasan holds that an Arusah is closer to being fully married (and if there were only one verse to exclude, we would say that she drinks, but a Shomeres Yavam does not), because her husband married her himself, and a stranger who has Bi'ah with her is killed;
R. Yoshiyah holds that a Shomeres Yavam is closer to being fully married (and therefore she drinks, but an Arusah does not) because the Yavam can marry her (do Yibum) against her will, i.e. she need not agree to Chupah.
Question: What does R. Yonasan learn from "Ish Ish"?
Answer: This includes the wife of a deaf man, a lunatic, or a man stricken with bewilderment.
Question: What does R. Yoshiyah learn from "under your husband"?
Answer: This equates the Sotah to her husband (i.e. just like a blind man cannot make his wife drink, a blind woman cannot drink).
Question: Why do we need verses to teach that an Arusah and a Shomeres Yavam do not drink? Another source teaches this!
(Rav Acha bar Chanina - Beraisa): "Other than your husband" - she drinks only if she had Bi'ah with her husband before the seclusion.
Answer (Rami bar Chama): We need to exclude an Arusah who had Bi'ah with her husband during Kidushin.
Question: The corresponding case of a Shomeres Yavam would be that she had Bi'ah with the Yavam after she was widowed. If so, she is fully married. She would not be called a Shomeres Yavam!
(Rav): (If a Yavam had Bi'ah with his Yevamah, but did not complete the Bi'ah, or did not intend for Yibum,) she becomes his full wife in all respects;
Answer: We can answer according to Shmuel, who says that she is acquired only regarding what is written in the Parshah of Yibum (exemption from Chalitzah and inheritance).
Suggestion: Rav holds like R. Yoshiyah, and Shmuel like R. Yonasan.
Rejection #1: Rav can even hold like R. Yonasan;
R. Yonasan needed a verse to teach that a Shomeres Yavam does not drink. Without the verse, we would have considered her like a full wife, and she would drink!
IMMODEST BEHAVIOR [line 1]
Rejection #2: Shmuel can hold even like R. Yoshiyah.
R. Yoshiyah needed a verse to teach that a Shomeres Yavam drinks. This implies that she is not like a full wife.
Question: If a wife was Overes Al Das (Yehudis, i.e. she deviated from the modest ways of Bnos Yisrael), does she forfeit her Kesuvah even if she was not warned?
Since she acted immodestly, no warning is needed;
Or, perhaps we must warn her. Perhaps she will correct her behavior!
Answer #1 (Mishnah): An Arusah or a Shomeres Yavam does not drink and does not get a Kesuvah.
Inference: They must be warned.
Question: What does the warning accomplish?
Suggestion: If she is secluded, she forfeits her Kesuvah. (This implies that she does not forfeit her Kesuvah for immodest behavior unless she was warned.)
Rejection #1 (Abaye): No. The warning causes that seclusion will forbid her to her husband.
Rejection #2 (Rav Papa): The warning is in order to make her drink after Nisu'in.
(Beraisa): One cannot warn his Arusah to make her drink during Eirusin, but he can warn her to make her drink after Nisu'in.
Answer #2 (Rava - Mishnah): The following do not drink or receive a Kesuvah: a widow married to a Kohen Gadol, a divorcee or Chalutzah married to a regular Kohen, a Mamzeres or Nesinah married to a Yisrael, or a Bas Yisrael married to a Mamzer or Nasin;
Inference: They do not drink, but they may be warned.
Question: What does the warning accomplish?
You cannot say that seclusion will forbid her to her husband. She is already forbidden!
Answer: Rather, if she is secluded, she forfeits her Kesuvah.
Rejection (Rav Yehudah of Diskarta): No. The warning causes that seclusion will (permanently) forbid her to the (suspected) Bo'el;
(Mishnah): Just like a Sotah is forbidden to her husband, she is forbidden to the Bo'el.
Answer #3 (R. Chanina of Sura - Mishnah): Beis Din can warn the wife of a man who became deaf or insane, or was imprisoned;
She may not drink. She is warned, so that if she is secluded, she forfeits her Kesuvah.
Inference: She does not forfeit her Kesuvah without warning.
Question: Why didn't the other Amora'im resolve the question from our Mishnah?
Answer: One could distinguish. The wife of a deaf, insane, or imprisoned man does not fear her husband, so we are not as quick to punish her for immodesty.
Question: May a husband remain married to a wife who is Overes Al Das?
Perhaps he may decide whether or not he minds;
Or, since most men object to immodest behavior, he may not choose!
Answer (Mishnah): Beis Din can warn the wife of a man that became deaf, or insane, or was imprisoned.
If her husband may remained married to her, Beis Din would not warn her, lest she become forbidden, and he would have wanted to keep her!
Rejection: Really, he may remain married to her, but we assume that he would not want to remain married to a wife who is Overes Al Das.
CANCELLING A WARNING [line 30]
Question: If a man warned his wife, can he cancel the warning?
If warning depends on what bothers the husband, he is no longer adamant;
Or, since he initially warned her, he cannot retract!
Answer #1 (Mishnah): Beis Din can warn the wife of a man that became deaf, or insane, or was imprisoned.
If a husband could cancel a warning, Beis Din would not warn her, lest he cancel it. (This would be a disgrace to Beis Din!)
Rejection: Really, a husband can cancel a warning. We are not concerned that he will cancel it, for a person usually agrees with decisions of Beis Din.
Answer #2 (Mishnah): Two Chachamim are sent to accompany the Sotah and her husband to Yerushalayim, lest he have Bi'ah with her on the way.
If he can cancel his warning, there is no need for Chachamim (to ensure that he not have Bi'ah with her). He can cancel the warning and have Bi'ah!
Rejection: This is the purpose of Chachamim, to tell him that he should cancel the warning before he has Bi'ah!
Answer #3 (R. Yoshiyah, citing Chachamim of Yerushalayim): A husband can pardon his warning. The Great Sanhedrin can pardon a Chacham who rules unlike them. Parents can pardon a rebellious son;
(Chachamim of the south): A husband and parents can pardon, but the Sanhedrin cannot, lest disputes increase in Yisrael.
Conclusion: This teaches that a husband can pardon his warning.
Rav Acha and Ravina argued about whether pardon works only before seclusion, or even after seclusion.
Support (for the former opinion - Beraisa - R. Yosi): A Kal va'Chomer shows that the husband (of a Sotah) is trusted (to be secluded with her):
Nidah is Chayavei Kerisus, yet a man is trusted to be secluded with his wife when she is Nidah. Sotah is only a Lav, all the more so he is trusted to be alone with her!
Chachamim: You cannot learn from Nidah, for she will become permitted to him again. A Sotah might not become permitted to him again!
If pardon worked after seclusion, also a Sotah could become permitted again. He could pardon the warning!
Conclusion: This teaches that pardon does not work after seclusion.
WOMEN WHO DO NOT DRINK [line before last]
(Mishnah - Beis Shamai): If her husband died before she drank (she collects her Kesuvah...)
Question: What is the source of the argument?
Answer: Beis Shamai hold that a document (in our case, the Kesuvah) destined to be collected is considered to be collected already. (If there is a Safek and no one brings proof, the bearer collects.) Beis Hillel say, it is not considered to be collected already.
(Mishnah - R. Meir): If a man married Me'uberes Chaveiro...
(Rav Nachman): They argue only about a sterile woman, or one too old to have children. All agree that an Ailonis does not drink and does not get her Kesuvah;
"(If) she is vindicated, she will bear seed" - she drinks only if she is able to bear seed.
Question (Beraisa #1): (The question is from the end of this long Beraisa.) If a man warned his Arusah or Shomeres Yavam, if she was secluded before Nisu'in, she does not drink and does not get her Kesuvah;
Please Mr. Netanyahu, Mr. Ben Gvir, Mr. Smotrich and Mr. Gallant unite and bring Hashem’s Righteousness back to the Har HaBayit? |
תחת צדקת השם הר הבית יהפוך לבית תפילה לכל העמים: יהודים, מוסלמים ונוצרים כשהם מסירים עבודה זרה ואת דוקטרינות השקר שלהם... על ידי ביטול הברית שנכרתה עם השלטונות האיסלאמיים בשנת 67' על הר הבית וכל שאר הבריתות, איסור על כל הפשעים והתועבות שנעשות על ידי הרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס והג'יהאד האסלאמי. והכרזת ריבונות יהודית על כל ארץ ישראל. |
Come let us Pray that Hashem's Righteousness shall 'return' to the Har haBayit and the whole of Eretz Israel. | בוא נתפלל שצדקת ה' 'תשוב' להר הבית ולארץ ישראל כולה. |
Free to study all Jewish Scripture: | חופשי ללמוד את כל כתבי הקודש היהודיים: |
Our Prayer and hope: All the gates to the Har haBayit have to be opened for Jews and non-Jews seven days in the week 24 hours a day. The Jews need to have the freedom to go with Tefillin, Tallit and Torah Scroll up on the Mountain to serve Hashem. And do קידה ('Kidah' prostate, laying down, before Hashem) Everyone showing his/her respect for the Jewish and all other religions. But NOT for the words/deeds/sins spoken against any word of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu and the 'real' teachings of the Jewish Rabbis. The Jews must be the guardians of the Har haBayit. |
תפילתנו ותקוותנו: כל שערי הר הבית צריכים להיפתח עבור יהודים ולא-יהודים שבעה ימים בשבוע 24 שעות ביממה. ליהודים צריך להיות חופש ללכת עם תפילין, טלית וספר תורה במעלה ההר כדי לשרת את ה' ולקוד קידה .מתוך הפגנת כבוד ליהודים ולכל הדתות האחרות, אבל לא למילים/למעשים/לחטאים הנאמרים נגד תורת משה רבנו. מלמודי רבנים, היהודים חייבים להיות שומרי הר הבית. |
Let's pray for a death sentence for the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah and for the continuation of the Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria. The Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Hezbollah must disappear. Enough of the hatred from the world (the USA, the European Union, and the UN!) against the Jewish people. |
בואו נתפלל לגזר דין מוות לרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס, חיזבאללה ולמען התיישבות יהודית ביהודה ושומרון. הרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס וחיזבאללה חייבים להעלם. די לשנאה מהעולם (ארה"ב, האיחוד האירופי והאו"ם!) נגד העם היהודי! |
| על היהודים מוטלת המשימה לשנות את הר הבית, ממצבו הקיים, לבית תפילה לכל העמים על פי חוק התורה של משה רבנו. |
Ariel, hopefully your Representee | אריאל, מקווה שהנציג שלך |
Click: If you have Prayer Requests Har HaBait Jewish Sovereign for all Israel I pray as a Jew when I bring your prayers. |
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