Kollel Iyun Hadaf Sanhedrin 022: v'Zos ha'Torah

 Kollel Iyun Hadaf Sanhedrin 022: v'Zos ha'Torah

 
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Sanhedrin 022: v'Zos ha'Torah

Josh asks:

Sanhedrin 22 discusses whether the Torah was given in ksav ivrit and when it switched to ashuris and brings proofs from history including Daniel

My q is when we say “vzot hatorah” in shul when the Torah is lifted what do we mean if the Torah was originally in ksav ivrit. We pasul a Torah even for an extra letter, but then turn and say that this torah in ashuris is the same as one in ivris?

Follow on q, if the Torah was in ivris, how do we understand Moshe rabbeinu in r akiva classroom (menachos 29) darshaning the tagin, since ksav ivris doesn’t have tagin.

Thank you!
Josh

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The Kollel replies:

Thank you for your essential question. You are asking about a very complex Gemara, and there are many different opinions how to understand the Gemara.

The Gemara you cited is the opinion of Rebbi Yosi. There are Tana'im who disagree with Rebbi Yosi's opinion. Rebbi says the Torah was given in Ashuris, and later, because of Bnei Yisrael's sins, it was changed and the Torah was written in Ksav Ivri. Ezra changed the Ksav back to Ashuris. Rebbi Eliezer's opinion is that the Ksav never changed and was always Ksav Ashuris. So we can begin with your second question, with a technical answer. It could be possible that the Gemara in Menachos is according to these other Tana'im.

I will try to summarize the different ways the Rishonim understand Rebbi Yosi.

a) It seems from Rashi that he understands that Ksav Ashuris is a Ksav that came to the world in the times of Daniel. By the way, in Teshuvos Rav Sherira Gaon (Teshuvos ha'Geonim (Harkavi) 358), he pretty much says what Rashi says. See also Talmud Yerushalmi Megilah 1:9. It seems there, too, that Ksav Ashuris is a new font that was brought from the Galus, or somehow made its way into the Jewish world at some point.

b) The Ran adds something that sheds some light on Rashi's opinion. The Gemara cites the verse "Mishneh Torah" and expounds that the Ksav can change. Rashi says that Moshe "hinted" here that the font can change. The Ran says clearly that Rebbi Yosi learns his opinion from this Derashah. The Torah is called "Mishneh Torah," and the word "Mishneh" can also be read and understood as a "change." The Torah was given in a way that to some extent (we must be careful with this point!) it has options of built-in changes. Ezra understood that one of these changes can be the font of the letters. According to the Ran, this change is part of the Torah and was allowed only because of a Derashah found in the Torah itself. Maybe this is enough to say "v'Zos ha'Torah." We should add that some say that Rav Sherira agrees with what the Ran says explicitly. Rav Sherira seems to say that we can learn from "Mishneh Torah" that since Hashem knew that Bnei Yisrael will be exiled in drawn-out Galuyos, they are allowed to write or use the Ksav that they know or remember during those difficult times. This is sort of a Heter to write the Torah in a different font.

c) Rav Yosef Albo, in his Sefer ha'Ikarim (chapter 3), brings another reason for why Ezra changed the Ksav. He explains that he wanted us to remember the redemption from the Galus Bavel, so he used the Assyrian font so we should never forget the miracle of the Ge'ulah.

d) There are those who sharply disagree and write very strongly against the reasoning of the Sefer ha'Ikarim, mainly because there is no hint anywhere in Chazal supporting this new reason. See Teshuvah of Maharam El'Shaker #74.

e) Some cite a Teshuvah of the Rambam that there is no doubt that the Luchos and the first Sefer Torah were written in Ksav Ashuris, but it was also permitted to use Ksav Ivri, and from Ezra and on it was fixed that one cannot use Ksav Ivri anymore but only Ksav Ashuris. According to this opinion, Ezra merely minimized the options, but did not establish anything new. The opinion of the Mei'ri and the Ritva is also along these lines, although it is not clear in the Ritva if he means that Ksav Ashuris was used only on the Luchos, but not to write the first Sefer Torah (as found in the Derashos of Ri ibn Shu'ib (a Talmid of the Rashba) on Parshas Shelach, and in the Radvaz 3:442), or that the Sefer Torah was also written using Ksav Ashuris. The Ritva actually brings a proof from your second question and any other places Chazal mention the Tagim and all the details that are found only in Ksav Ashuris. See also the Maharal in Sefer Tiferes Yisrael #64.

f) The Brisker Rav (in his Sefer on the Chumash) brings a Rishon called "Sefer ha'Tagin" who has an outstanding Perush on the Gemara in Menachos you mentioned, and an extremely original opinion regarding the view of Rebbi Yosi. He says that when Moshe when up to Shamayim, he saw Hashem tying Tagim to the letters. He says that Hashem tied these Tagim so that later on, when Ezra would write them in the Torah, Rebbi Akiva would be able to make Derashas and learn "Tilei Tilim Shel Halachos" from them. Moshe wanted to know, why is it that Hashem does not want to give the Torah now in Ksav Ashuris. Hashem answered, "Shtok" -- keep silent, and He did not explain. Moshe, who saw how to write the Tagim, used Ksav Ashuris to write the Torah on the stones, as we see in Parshas Vayelech, and, later, Daniel knew the Ksav, and Ezra copied the Tagim from the stones. This opinion answers at least your second question.

These are the main opinions in the Gemaras you are seeking to understand. I tried to cite them as is, since these are "Ikarei ha'Yahadus" and I do not want to dilute the information with my interpertations.

I hope this helps!

Kol Tuv,
Aharon Steiner

 

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