Kollel Iyun Hadaf Sotah 007: Why Two Talmidei Chachamim? 2

 Kollel Iyun Hadaf Sotah 007: Why Two Talmidei Chachamim? 2

 
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Re: Sotah 007: Why Two Talmidei Chachamim?

Yossi asked:
»The gemara says you need 2 talmidi chachamim so there will be eidim, and rashi explains so we won't have to give her to drink. But the gemara 2a said one eid is believed for eidei tumah to prevent drinking?«

The Kollel replied:
»1) The Gemara (2a) is referring to a scenario where the husband warned his wife not be alone with a suspect individual, but she was alone with him and one witness testified that they had relations. Here, one witness is believed because there is "Raglayim l'Davar" -- there is a good basis to believe the one witness because of the Kinuy and Setirah that preceeded the testimony of this one witness.
2) The Gemara (7a) refers to a scenario where the husband is taking his wife to Yerushalayim because he suspects her of being unfaithful. On the other hand, since they are husband and wife there is a possibility that they may have marital relations, but this is more unlikely since the husband is taking her to the Beis ha'Mikdash with the possibility that me might drink the waters and be proved to have been Mezanah. Since we obviously had no Kinuy and Setirah in the latter scenario, and since the husband knows that his wife is forbidden to him until it is proven that she was not unfaithful, one witness is not sufficient to prove that there was Bi'ah. One witness is sufficient only where there is Raglayim l'Davar, as on 2a, while on 7a there is no Raglayim l'Davar so two Edim are required.«

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The Kollel adds:

3) I found, bs'd, that the Sefer Dvar Shaul on Maseches Sotah 10:3 (by Rav Shaul Kosovsky-Shachor) asks this question.

a) First, he points out that it is only if the husband denies that he had relations with his wife while on the journey that one Ed is not believed, but if one Ed testified that they had been together and the husband made no comment, this would be sufficient to prevent the drinking.

b) The Dvar Shaul explains that if the husband denies it, then separating the husband from the wife is considered a "Davar sheb'Ervah" and there is a major rule (see Gitin 2b), "Ein Davar sheb'Ervah Pachos mi'Shtayim" -- one cannot effect anything in matters of marriage and divorce with less than two witnesses. If we prevent the drinking on the basis of one witness, this means that the husband and wife must part, so this is equivalent to giving a Get with only one witness, which is impossible.

c) The Dvar Shaul writes that it is only when the Ed testifies on Tum'ah that the Torah believes him, but if he testifies on relations between husband and wife (which is not Tum'ah but it is a Torah prohibition since the wife is suspected of Znus), this is considered as testimony on a side factor that prevents her from drinking, and the Torah does not believe one witness for this.

d) In short, the Dvar Shaul answers that the Torah believes one witness only about Tum'ah, but not on a side issue.

Kol Tuv,
Dovid Bloom






Please Mr. Netanyahu, Mr. Ben Gvir, Mr. Smotrich and Mr. Gallant unite and bring Hashem’s Righteousness back to the Har HaBayit?

Under HaShem’s Righteousness the Har HaBayit shall become a Prayer House for all peoples. Jews, Muslims, and Christians when they put away Avoda Zara and their false doctrines……

By annulling that covenant made with the Islamic authorities in ’67 on the Har Habayit and all other covenants, banning all crimes and abominations by PA, Hamas and Islamic Jihad with an Iron fist declaring Jewish Sovereignty in all the Land Hashem gave the Jewish People in ’67.


בבקשה מר נתניהו, מר בן גביר, מר סמוטריץ' ומר גלנט תתאחדו והחזירו את צדקת ה' להר הבית,
?

תחת צדקת השם הר הבית יהפוך לבית תפילה לכל העמים: יהודים, מוסלמים ונוצרים כשהם מסירים עבודה זרה ואת דוקטרינות השקר שלהם...

על ידי ביטול הברית שנכרתה עם השלטונות האיסלאמיים בשנת 67' על הר הבית וכל שאר הבריתות, איסור על כל הפשעים והתועבות שנעשות על ידי הרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס והג'יהאד האסלאמי. והכרזת ריבונות יהודית על כל ארץ ישראל.

 

Come let us Pray that Hashem's Righteousness shall 'return' to the Har haBayit and the whole of Eretz Israel.

בוא נתפלל שצדקת ה' 'תשוב' להר הבית ולארץ ישראל כולה.

Free to study all Jewish Scripture:

חופשי ללמוד את כל כתבי הקודש היהודיים:

Sefaria Calendar - לוח שנה ספריה



   

Our Prayer and hope: All the gates to the Har haBayit have to be opened for Jews and non-Jews seven days in the week 24 hours a day. The Jews need to have the freedom to go with Tefillin, Tallit and Torah Scroll up on the Mountain to serve Hashem. And do קידה ('Kidah' prostate, laying down, before Hashem) Everyone showing his/her respect for the Jewish and all other religions. But NOT for the words/deeds/sins spoken against any word of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu and the 'real' teachings of the Jewish Rabbis. The Jews must be the guardians of the Har haBayit.



תפילתנו ותקוותנו: כל שערי הר הבית צריכים להיפתח עבור יהודים ולא-יהודים שבעה ימים בשבוע 24 שעות ביממה. ליהודים צריך להיות חופש ללכת עם תפילין, טלית וספר תורה במעלה ההר כדי לשרת את ה' ולקוד קידה .מתוך הפגנת כבוד ליהודים ולכל הדתות האחרות, אבל לא למילים/למעשים/לחטאים הנאמרים נגד תורת משה רבנו. מלמודי רבנים, היהודים חייבים להיות שומרי הר הבית.



   

Let's pray for a death sentence for the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, Hezbollah and for the continuation of the Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria. The Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Hezbollah must disappear. Enough of the hatred from the world (the USA, the European Union, and the UN!) against the Jewish people.

 



בואו נתפלל לגזר דין מוות לרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס, חיזבאללה ולמען התיישבות יהודית ביהודה ושומרון. הרשות הפלסטינית, חמאס וחיזבאללה חייבים להעלם. די לשנאה מהעולם (ארה"ב, האיחוד האירופי והאו"ם!) נגד העם היהודי!





The Jews have the mission to change the Har HaBayit, from her situation now, into a Prayer House for all peoples based on the Torah Law of Moshe Rabbeinu.

 





על היהודים מוטלת המשימה לשנות את הר הבית, ממצבו הקיים, לבית תפילה לכל העמים על פי חוק התורה של משה רבנו.

 

Ariel, hopefully your Representee

אריאל, מקווה שהנציג שלך

 

 

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