Sefaria Gittin 10a The William Davidson Talmud (Koren - Steinsaltz)
Sefaria Gittin 10a The William Davidson Talmud (Koren - Steinsaltz)
Gittin
Talmud
Gittin (plural of “Get,” or writ of divorce) is a tractate in Seder Nashim (“Order of Women,” which addresses family law). Its nine chapters primarily discuss the process of writing and transmitting a get. Also included in the tractate are sections about tikkun ha’olam, or enactments instituted by the sages for the betterment of the world, stories about the destruction of the Temple, and discussions of medical advice.
Composed: Talmudic Babylon (c.450 - c.550 CE)נוצר/נערך: בבל התלמודית (450 - 550 לספירה בקירוב)
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10a
אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ שֵׁמוֹת מוּבְהָקִין.
The Gemara explains: It is possible that even the first tanna holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar that the witnesses who observe its transmission effect the divorce, and he does not dispute Rabbi Shimon on this point. Instead, the difference between the first tanna and Rabbi Shimon concerns a case where the signatures on the bill of divorce are unambiguous [muvhakin] gentile names. The first tanna holds that although a bill of divorce is valid if it was transmitted in the presence of valid witnesses, there is always a concern that it might have been transmitted in the presence of the same gentile witnesses who signed it. Therefore, it is rendered invalid by rabbinic law. Conversely, Rabbi Shimon holds that if it contained names that clearly belonged to gentiles it can be assumed that the bill of divorce was transmitted in the presence of two valid witnesses, and therefore it is valid.
וְהָא חֲזָרָה דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא, וְקָתָנֵי!
The Gemara raises another difficulty: But the halakha of retraction applies by Torah law, as according to the opinion of Rabbi Meir the husband can retract his instruction to give the bill of divorce and the master can retract his instruction to give the bill of manumission by Torah law, thereby canceling the agency. And yet the baraita teaches it among the ways in which bills of divorce are equal to bills of manumission. This indicates that the tanna does not distinguish between a case that applies by Torah law and one that applies by rabbinic law.
אֶלָּא כִּי קָתָנֵי – מִילְּתָא דְּלֵיתַהּ בְּקִידּוּשִׁין, מִילְּתָא דְּאִיתַהּ בְּקִידּוּשִׁין – לָא קָתָנֵי.
וְהָא חֲזָרָה גּוּפַהּ אִיתָא בְּקִידּוּשִׁין! בִּשְׁלִיחוּת בְּעַל כּוֹרְחָהּ, דִּבְגֵירוּשִׁין אִיתַהּ וּבְקִידּוּשִׁין לֵיתַהּ.
מַתְנִי׳ כׇּל גֵּט שֶׁיֵּשׁ עָלָיו עֵד כּוּתִי – פָּסוּל, חוּץ מִגִּיטֵּי נָשִׁים וְשִׁחְרוּרֵי עֲבָדִים. מַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁהֵבִיאוּ לִפְנֵי רַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל לִכְפַר עוֹתְנַאי גֵּט אִשָּׁה, וְהָיוּ עֵדָיו עֵדֵי כוּתִים, וְהִכְשִׁיר.
גְּמָ׳ מַנִּי מַתְנִיתִין? לָא תַּנָּא קַמָּא, וְלָא רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר, וְלָא רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל!
GEMARA: The Gemara asks: Whose opinion is expressed in the mishna? It is not the opinion of the first tanna, nor that of Rabbi Elazar, nor that of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, cited in the following baraita.
דְּתַנְיָא: מַצַּת כּוּתִי – מוּתֶּרֶת, וְאָדָם יוֹצֵא בָּהּ יְדֵי חוֹבָתוֹ בַּפֶּסַח. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אוֹסֵר, לְפִי שֶׁאֵין בְּקִיאִין בְּדִקְדּוּקֵי מִצְוֹת. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: כׇּל מִצְוָה שֶׁהֶחֱזִיקוּ בָּהּ כּוּתִים – הַרְבֵּה מְדַקְדְּקִין בָּהּ, יוֹתֵר מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל.
As it is taught in a baraita (Tosefta, Pesaḥim 1:15): The matza of a Samaritan is permitted on Passover, as there is no concern that it might be leaven, and a person fulfills his obligation to eat matza on the first night of Passover with it. Rabbi Elazar prohibits the consumption of the matza of a Samaritan because the Samaritans are not well-versed in the details of mitzvot. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: On the contrary, with regard to any mitzva that the Samaritans embraced and accepted, they are more exacting in its observance than are Jews.
מַנִּי? אִי תַּנָּא קַמָּא, אֲפִילּוּ שְׁאָר שְׁטָרוֹת נָמֵי! אִי רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר, אֲפִילּוּ גֵּט אִשָּׁה נָמֵי לָא!
The Gemara elaborates: Whose opinion is expressed in the mishna? If it is the opinion of the first tanna in the baraita, then even other documents should be valid when signed by Samaritan witnesses. By ruling that one can fulfill his obligation with Samaritan matza, this tanna apparently holds that the status of Samaritans is the same as that of Jews. If so, that should be their status with regard to their testimony on any document. If the opinion in the mishna is that of Rabbi Elazar, who expresses the concern that Samaritans are not well versed in the details of mitzvot, they should not be fit to sign even a bill of divorce.
וְאִי רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל; אִי דְּאַחְזוּק – אֲפִילּוּ שְׁאָר שְׁטָרוֹת נָמֵי, אִי דְּלָא אַחְזוּק – אֲפִילּוּ גֵּט אִשָּׁה נָמֵי לָא!
And if the opinion in the mishna is that of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, the halakha should depend on the following consideration: If they embrace and accept the mitzva associated with the subject of the document, even with regard to other documents their testimony should be valid; if they do not embrace and accept the mitzva associated with the subject of the document, they should not be rendered fit to sign even a bill of divorce.
וְכִי תֵּימָא רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל הִיא, וּדְאַחְזוּק בְּהָא וְלָא אַחְזוּק בְּהָא, אִי הָכִי, מַאי אִירְיָא חַד? אֲפִילּוּ תְּרֵי נָמֵי! אַלְּמָה אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: לֹא הִכְשִׁירוּ בּוֹ אֶלָּא עֵד אֶחָד כּוּתִי בִּלְבָד?
And if you would say that the opinion in the mishna is that of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, and the Samaritans embrace this mitzva of bills of divorce, but they do not embrace this mitzva associated with the subject of other documents, if so, why is a bill of divorce valid specifically in a case where only one Samaritan witness signed it? The same would hold true even if two Samaritan witnesses signed the bill of divorce as well. Why, then, does Rabbi Elazar say: The Sages deemed it valid only when there is just one Samaritan witness signed on the bill of divorce?
לְעוֹלָם רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר, וּכְגוֹן דְּחָתֵים יִשְׂרָאֵל לְבַסּוֹף,
The Gemara answers: Actually, the opinion expressed in the mishna is that of Rabbi Elazar, and as a rule, one may not rely on the testimony of a Samaritan on a document. And the mishna is referring to a case where a Jew signed the document last,
10b
דְּאִי לָאו דְּכוּתִי חָבֵר הֲוָה, לָא מַחְתֵּים לֵיהּ מִקַּמֵּיהּ. אִי הָכִי, אֲפִילּוּ שְׁאָר שְׁטָרוֹת נָמֵי!
אֶלָּא אָמְרִינַן רַוְוחָא שְׁבַק לְמַאן דְּקַשִּׁישׁ מִינֵּיהּ; הָכָא נָמֵי, רַוְוחָא שְׁבַק לְמַאן דְּקַשִּׁישׁ מִינֵּיהּ!
אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא, זֹאת אוֹמֶרֶת, עֵדֵי הַגֵּט אֵין חוֹתְמִין זֶה בְּלֹא זֶה.
Rav Pappa says: That is to say, in explanation of the difference between bills of divorce and manumission and other documents, that the witnesses of a bill of divorce and a bill of manumission may not sign one without the other; rather, each witness signs in the presence of the other. A Jew would be aware that a Samaritan was signing with him, and he would not sign unless he knew that the Samaritan was a valid witness. However, with regard to other documents, witnesses are not required to sign such documents in each other’s presence. Therefore, the signature of the Jew indicates nothing about the fitness of the Samaritan witness.
מַאי טַעְמָא? אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: גְּזֵירָה מִשּׁוּם ״כּוּלְּכֶם״.
The Gemara asks: What is the reason that the witnesses must sign a bill of divorce and a bill of manumission together? Rav Ashi says: It is a rabbinic decree issued due to a case where the husband says: All of you are witnesses on this bill of divorce. In that case, if any one of them fails to sign the bill of divorce, it is invalid. Therefore, the Sages decreed that the witnesses must sign a bill of divorce together in all cases.
גּוּפָא, אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: לֹא הִכְשִׁירוּ בּוֹ אֶלָּא עֵד אֶחָד כּוּתִי בִּלְבַד. מַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן? תְּנֵינָא: כׇּל גֵּט שֶׁיֵּשׁ עָלָיו עֵד כּוּתִי – פָּסוּל כּוּ׳!
אִי מִמַּתְנִיתִין, הֲוָה אָמֵינָא אֲפִילּוּ תְּרֵי נָמֵי; וְהַאי דְּקָתָנֵי חַד, מִשּׁוּם דְּבִשְׁטָרוֹת אֲפִילּוּ חַד נָמֵי לָא, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.
The Gemara responds: If it is learned from the mishna alone I would have said that even two Samaritan witnesses are also valid for a bill of divorce or a bill of manumission. And the fact that the mishna teaches one witness is because it wants to emphasize that for other documents even one Samaritan witness is also not valid. Therefore, Rabbi Eliezer teaches us that in the case of bills of divorce only one Samaritan witness is valid, but if both witnesses are Samaritans the bill of divorce is not valid.
וּתְרֵי לָא?! וְהָא קָתָנֵי: מַעֲשֶׂה וְהֵבִיאוּ לִפְנֵי רַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל לִכְפַר עוֹתְנַאי גֵּט אִשָּׁה, וְהָיוּ עֵדָיו עֵדֵי כוּתִים, וְהִכְשִׁיר! אָמַר אַבָּיֵי, תְּנִי: ״עֵדוֹ״.
The Gemara asks: And are two Samaritan witnesses not accepted on a bill of divorce? But the mishna teaches: An incident occurred in which they brought a bill of divorce before Rabban Gamliel in the village of Otnai, and its witnesses were Samaritan witnesses, and he deemed it valid. Abaye said that one should teach the mishna so that it does not read: Its witnesses, but rather: Its witness, i.e., Rabban Gamliel deemed valid a bill of divorce that had the signature of one Samaritan witness, as even he would invalidate a bill of divorce that included the signatures of two Samaritans.
רָבָא אָמַר: לְעוֹלָם תְּרֵי, וְרַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל מִיפְלָג פְּלִיג; וְחַסּוֹרֵי מִיחַסְּרָא, וְהָכִי קָתָנֵי: וְרַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל מַכְשִׁיר בִּשְׁנַיִם, וּמַעֲשֶׂה נָמֵי שֶׁהֵבִיאוּ לִפְנֵי רַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל לִכְפַר עוֹתְנַאי גֵּט אִשָּׁה, וְהָיוּ עֵדָיו עֵדֵי כוּתִים, וְהִכְשִׁיר.
Rava said: Actually, you do not need to say that the case was concerning one Samaritan witness, as it indeed is referring to two Samaritans witnesses, and Rabban Gamliel disagrees with the opinion of the first tanna. And the mishna is incomplete and this is what it is teaching: And Rabban Gamliel deems valid a bill of divorce that contains the signatures of two Samaritans, and an incident occurred in which they brought a bill of divorce before Rabban Gamliel in the village of Otnai, and its witnesses were Samaritan witnesses, and he deemed it valid.
מַתְנִי׳ כׇּל הַשְּׁטָרוֹת הָעוֹלִים בְּעַרְכָּאוֹת שֶׁל גּוֹיִם, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁחוֹתְמֵיהֶם גּוֹיִם – כְּשֵׁירִים; חוּץ מִגִּיטֵּי נָשִׁים וְשִׁחְרוּרֵי עֲבָדִים. רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹמֵר: אַף אֵלּוּ כְּשֵׁירִין, לֹא הוּזְכְּרוּ אֶלָּא בִּזְמַן שֶׁנַּעֲשׂוּ בְּהֶדְיוֹט.
גְּמָ׳ קָא פָּסֵיק וְתָנֵי – לָא שְׁנָא מֶכֶר לָא שְׁנָא מַתָּנָה.
בִּשְׁלָמָא מֶכֶר, מִכִּי יָהֵיב זוּזֵי קַמַּיְיהוּ הוּא דִּקְנָה; וּשְׁטָרָא רְאָיָה בְּעָלְמָא הוּא – דְּאִי לָא יָהֵיב זוּזֵי קַמַּיְיהוּ, לָא הֲווֹ מַרְעִי נַפְשַׁיְיהוּ וְכָתְבִין לֵיהּ שְׁטָרָא.
אֶלָּא מַתָּנָה, בְּמַאי קָא קָנֵי – לָאו בְּהַאי שְׁטָרָא? וְהַאי שְׁטָרָא חַסְפָּא בְּעָלְמָא הוּא! אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: דִּינָא דְמַלְכוּתָא – דִּינָא.
וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא, תָּנֵי ״חוּץ מִכְּגִיטֵּי נָשִׁים״.
And if you wish, say that one should emend the text of the mishna, and teach: They are all valid except for documents that are like bills of divorce. In other words, the distinction is between different types of documents: Documents that are meant to serve only as proof are valid even if they were produced in gentile courts, whereas documents that effect a legal act, such as bills of divorce, are invalid if they were written in a gentile court.
רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹמֵר: אַף אֵלּוּ, כְּשֵׁירִין וְכוּ׳: וְהָא לָאו בְּנֵי כְרִיתוּת נִינְהוּ?
§ The mishna taught that Rabbi Shimon says: Even these bills of divorce and bills of manumission are valid if they were written in a gentile court and were signed by gentiles. The Gemara asks: How can Rabbi Shimon rule in this manner? But gentiles are not fit for this role, as they are not subject to the halakhot concerning scrolls of severance. Since the halakhot of marriage and divorce in the Torah are stated exclusively with regard to Jews, gentiles cannot serve in any capacity in cases of this kind.
אָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא: יָרַד רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן לְשִׁיטָתוֹ שֶׁל רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר, דְּאָמַר עֵדֵי מְסִירָה כָּרְתִי.
וְהָאָמַר רַבִּי אַבָּא: מוֹדֶה רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בִּמְזוּיָּף מִתּוֹכוֹ, שֶׁפָּסוּל! הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן –
The Gemara raises a difficulty: But doesn’t Rabbi Abba say that although he considers a bill of divorce valid even without the signature of witnesses, Rabbi Elazar concedes with regard to a document whose falsification is inherent in it that it is invalid despite the fact that it was properly transferred. In other words, notwithstanding the halakha that the signatures on a bill of divorce are unnecessary, a document that includes invalid signatures is thereby invalidated. The reason is that there is a concern that people will rely upon these witnesses. The Gemara answers: With what are we dealing here?
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