Sefaria Bava Kamma 12a-b The William Davidson Talmud (Koren - Steinsaltz) - Jerusalem Talmud Kilayim 2:5 Heinrich W. Guggenheimer, 1999-2015

 Sefaria Bava Kamma 12a-b The William Davidson Talmud (Koren - Steinsaltz) - Jerusalem Talmud Kilayim 2:5 Heinrich W. Guggenheimer, 1999-2015

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Bava Kamma

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Bava Kamma (״The First Gate״) is the first of a series of three tractates in Seder Nezikin (“Order of Damages") that deal with civil matters. Bava Kamma focuses on the laws of torts: the first six chapters mostly address damages inflicted by one’s property, while the last four chapters discuss damages inflicted by people, such as theft and injury.

Composed: Talmudic Babylon (c.450 – c.550 CE)נוצר/נערך: בבל התלמודית (450 – 550 לספירה בקירוב)

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12a

לְבָתַר דִּנְפַק, אֲמַר לְהוּ עוּלָּא, הָכִי אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: אֲפִילּוּ מִיַּתְמֵי. אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: אִשְׁתְּמִיטַן עוּלָּא.

The Gemara relates: After Rav Naḥman exited the study hall, Ulla said to the remaining Sages in the study hall: In truth, this is what Rabbi Elazar said: A slave can be collected as payment even when collecting from the debtor’s orphans. Generally, when collecting a debt from the debtor’s orphans the creditor can collect only from the land that they inherited from their father, which is liened to the debt. Rabbi Elazar rules that a creditor can also collect from the slaves they inherited, as he holds that in this regard, the legal status of slaves is like that of land. Ulla did not reveal this fact to Rav Naḥman, as he knew that Rav Naḥman disagreed and held that the legal status of slaves is like that of movable property. When he heard of Ulla’s revelation, Rav Naḥman said: Ulla evaded me, as had he told me Rabbi Elazar’s full opinion, I would have brought proofs against his opinion.

הֲוָה עוֹבָדָא בִּנְהַרְדְּעָא, וְאַגְבּוֹ דַּיָּינֵי דִנְהַרְדְּעָא. הֲוָה עוֹבָדָא בְּפוּמְבְּדִיתָא, וְאַגְבְּיֵהּ רַב חָנָא בַּר בִּיזְנָא. אֲמַר לְהוּ רַב נַחְמָן: זִילוּ אַהֲדוּרוּ, וְאִי לָא – מַגְבִּינַן לְכוּ לְאַפַּדְנַיְיכוּ.

The Gemara relates: There was an incident in Neharde’a, and the judges of Neharde’a collected, on behalf of a creditor, slaves that orphans had inherited from the debtor. There was an incident in Pumbedita, and Rav Ḥana bar Bizna collected slaves from orphans as repayment for a debt. Rav Naḥman said to those judges: Go and return those slaves to the orphans, and if you do not do so, we will collect the value of the slaves from the proceeds of your own mansions in order to compensate the orphans for their loss, as you have made a elementary mistake in your ruling and therefore you are responsible to rectify it.

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבָא לְרַב נַחְמָן: הָא עוּלָּא, הָא רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר, הָא דַּיָּינֵי דִנְהַרְדְּעָא וְהָא רַב חָנָא בַּר בִּיזְנָא; מָר – כְּמַאן סְבִירָא לֵיהּ?

Rava said to Rav Naḥman: There is Ulla, there is Rabbi Elazar, there are the judges of Neharde’a, and there is Rav Ḥana bar Bizna, all of whom ruled based on the assumption that the legal status of slaves is like that of land. In accordance with whose opinion does the Master, i.e., you, Rav Naḥman, hold?

אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא מַתְנִיתָא יָדַעְנָא – דְּתָנֵי אֲבִימִי: פְּרוֹזְבּוּל חָל עַל הַקַּרְקַע, וְאֵינוֹ חָל עַל הָעֲבָדִים. מִטַּלְטְלִין נִקְנִין עִם הַקַּרְקַע, וְאֵינָן נִקְנִין עִם הָעֲבָדִים.

Rav Naḥman said to him: I know a baraita that supports my opinion, as Avimi teaches: A document that prevents the Sabbatical Year from abrogating an outstanding debt [prosbol] takes effect upon a debt assumed by one who owns land, but a prosbol does not take effect upon a debt assumed by one who owns slaves of the debtor. And movable property is acquired together with the land one acquires through the act of acquisition performed on the land, but movable property cannot be acquired together with the slaves that one acquires. Both halakhot assume that in these cases the legal status of slaves is not like that of land.

לֵימָא כְּתַנָּאֵי –

The Gemara suggests: Let us say that this issue is the subject of a dispute between tanna’im in the following baraitot.

מָכַר לוֹ עֲבָדִים וְקַרְקָעוֹת; הֶחְזִיק בַּעֲבָדִים – לֹא קָנָה קַרְקָעוֹת, בְּקַרְקָעוֹת – לֹא קָנָה עֲבָדִים. קַרְקָעוֹת וּמִטַּלְטְלִין; הֶחְזִיק בְּקַרְקַע – קָנָה מִטַּלְטְלִין, בְּמִטַּלְטְלִין – לֹא קָנָה קַרְקַע. עֲבָדִים וּמִטַּלְטְלִין; הֶחְזִיק בַּעֲבָדִים – לֹא קָנָה מִטַּלְטְלִין, בְּמִטַּלְטְלִין – לֹא קָנָה עֲבָדִים.

One baraita teaches: If one sold slaves and land to a buyer and the buyer took possession of the slaves alone, he does not thereby acquire the land. If he took possession of the land alone, he does not thereby acquire the slaves. If one sold land and movable property to a buyer and the buyer took possession of the land alone, he thereby also acquires the movable property. If he took possession of the movable property alone, he does not thereby acquire the land. If one sold slaves and movable property to a buyer and the buyer took possession of the slaves alone, he does not thereby acquire the movable property. If he took possession of the movable property alone, he does not thereby acquire the slaves.

וְהָתַנְיָא: הֶחְזִיק בַּעֲבָדִים – קָנָה מִטַּלְטְלִין!

But isn’t it taught in another baraita: If the buyer took possession of the slaves alone, he thereby also acquires the movable property? This directly contradicts the ruling in the parallel clause of the previous baraita.

מַאי, לָאו בְּהָא קָמִפַּלְגִי – דְּמָר סָבַר: עֲבָדִים כִּמְקַרְקְעֵי דָּמֵי, וּמָר סָבַר: עֲבָדִים כְּמִטַּלְטְלִין דָּמֵי?

What, is it not the case that it is about this that they disagree, that one Sage, the tanna of the second baraita, holds that the legal status of slaves is like that of land, and the other Sage, the tanna of the first baraita, holds that the legal status of slaves is like that of movable property?

אָמַר רַב אִיקָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב אַמֵּי: דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא – עֲבָדִים כִּמְקַרְקְעֵי דָּמֵי. וְהָדְתַנְיָא קָנָה – שַׁפִּיר; וְהָדְתַנְיָא לֹא קָנָה – בָּעֵינַן קַרְקַע דֻּומְיָא דְּ״עָרִים מְצוּרוֹת בִּיהוּדָה״ – דְּלָא נָיְידִי.

The Gemara rejects this: Rav Ika, son of Rav Ami, said: According to everyone, the legal status of slaves is generally like that of land, and therefore, that which is taught in the second baraita, that by taking possession of the slaves he also acquires the movable property, is properly understood. And that which is taught in the first baraita, that in such a case he does not acquire the movable property, the reason for this ruling is that the tanna of that baraita holds that in order for movable property to be acquired together with land, we require that he acquire land similar to “fortified cities in Judea” (II Chronicles 21:3), which do not move around. Slaves, even if their legal status is generally like that of land, do not fulfill this requirement.

דִּתְנַן: נְכָסִים שֶׁאֵין לָהֶם אַחְרָיוּת נִקְנִין עִם נְכָסִים שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהֶם אַחְרָיוּת – בְּכֶסֶף, בִּשְׁטָר וּבַחֲזָקָה. מְנָהָנֵי מִילֵּי? אָמַר חִזְקִיָּה, דְּאָמַר קְרָא: ״וַיִּתֵּן לָהֶם אֲבִיהֶם מַתָּנוֹת רַבּוֹת לְכֶסֶף וּלְזָהָב וּלְמִגְדָּנוֹת, עִם עָרֵי מְצֻרוֹת בִּיהוּדָה״.

The reason behind the need for land to be like the “fortified cities in Judea” is that the halakha that one can acquire movable property together with land is derived from this verse, as we learned in a mishna (Kiddushin 26a): Property that does not serve as a guarantee, i.e., movable property, is acquired together with property that does serve as a guarantee, i.e., land, be it through the buyer giving money to the seller, by the seller giving the buyer a bill of sale, or by the buyer performing an act of taking possession. The Gemara asks: From where is this matter derived? Ḥizkiyya said: As the verse states: “And their father gave them great gifts, of silver, and of gold, and of precious things, with fortified cities in Judea” (II Chronicles 21:3). The verse indicates that the acquisition of the movable property was done together with that of the cities of Judea.

אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי, אָמַר רַב אִיקָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב אַמֵּי: דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא – עַבְדֵי כְּמִטַּלְטְלִין דָּמֵי. וְהָדְתַנְיָא לֹא קָנָה – שַׁפִּיר; הָא דְּתַנְיָא קָנָה – בְּעוֹדָן עָלָיו.

There are those who say that Rav Ika stated a different answer: Rav Ika, son of Rav Ami, said: According to everyone, the legal status of slaves is generally like that of movable property, and therefore, that which is taught in the first baraita, that by taking possession of the slaves he does not also acquire the movable property, is properly understood. And that which is taught in the second baraita, that in such a case he acquires the movable property, applies to a case in which at the moment the slave was acquired, the movable property was still upon him, e.g., the slave was holding it, and it could therefore be acquired together with the slave. This is because one’s slave is considered like one’s courtyard, and any item that is placed within it is acquired for its owner.

וְכִי עוֹדָן עָלָיו מַאי הָוֵי? חָצֵר מְהַלֶּכֶת הִיא, וְחָצֵר מְהַלֶּכֶת – לֹא קָנָה! וְכִי תֵּימָא בְּעוֹמֵד, וְהָא אָמַר רָבָא: כֹּל שֶׁאִילּוּ מְהַלֵּךְ לֹא קָנָה – עוֹמֵד וְיוֹשֵׁב לֹא קָנָה!

The Gemara asks: But even if the movable property was still upon him, what of it? Even if one claims a slave is like a courtyard, he is a mobile courtyard, and a mobile courtyard does not acquire items placed upon it. And if you would say that the case is one where the slave is standing at the time of the transaction, that is still insufficient, as didn’t Rava say: Anything that does not acquire when moving also does not acquire when it is standing or sitting. The fact that the slave can move gives him the status of a mobile courtyard, regardless if he is currently moving or not.

וְהִלְכְתָא בְּכָפוּת.

The Gemara concludes: And the halakha is that where a slave is bound up and is unable to walk, his status is like that of an immobile courtyard, and his master will acquire anything that is placed upon him at that time.

וְהָתַנְיָא: הֶחְזִיק בְּקַרְקַע – קָנָה עֲבָדִים!

The Gemara presents another contradiction to the first baraita cited above, which explicitly states that one cannot acquire slaves by taking possession of land: But isn’t it taught in another baraita: If he took possession of the land alone, he thereby also acquires the slaves?

הָתָם בְּעוֹמְדִין בְּתוֹכָהּ.

The Gemara resolves the contradiction: There, in the baraita just cited, the case is one where the slaves are standing within the borders of the land that was acquired.

מִכְּלָל דְּהַאי ״לֹא קָנָה״ – כְּשֶׁאֵין עוֹמְדִין בְּתוֹכָהּ?

The Gemara notes: By inference, the ruling of this first baraita, which states that he does not acquire the slaves, is stated with regard to a case where they are not standing within the borders of the land that was acquired.

הָנִיחָא לְהָךְ לִישָּׁנָא דְּאָמַר רַב אִיקָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב אַמֵּי: עַבְדָּא כְּמִטַּלְטְלִי דָּמֵי; הַיְינוּ דְּאִי עוֹמְדִין בְּתוֹכָהּ – אִין, אִי לָא – לָא.

This works out well according to that second formulation of that which Rav Ika, son of Rav Ami, said, that the legal status of slaves is like that of movable property. This is the reason that if the slaves are standing within the borders of the land, yes, they are acquired together with the land, but if not, no, they are not acquired. The Gemara assumes that movable property is acquired together with land only if at the time of the acquisition it is placed upon the land.

אֶלָּא לְהָךְ לִישָּׁנָא דְּאָמַר: עַבְדָּא כִּמְקַרְקְעֵי דָּמֵי; לְמָה לִי עוֹמְדִין בְּתוֹכָהּ? הָא אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: מָכַר לוֹ עֶשֶׂר שָׂדוֹת בְּעֶשֶׂר מְדִינוֹת, כֵּיוָן שֶׁהֶחְזִיק בְּאַחַת מֵהֶן – קָנָה כּוּלָּן!

But according to that first formulation of that which Rav Ika, son of Rav Ami, said, that the legal status of slaves is like that of land, why do I need the slaves to be standing within the borders of the land? As doesn’t Shmuel say: If someone sold him ten fields, located in ten different countries, once he takes possession of one of them, he has acquired all of them? If the legal status of slaves is like that of land, then the same principle should apply to them, and it should be unnecessary for them to be standing within the land’s borders.

וְלִיטַעְמָיךְ, לְהָךְ לִישָּׁנָא דְּאָמַר: עַבְדָּא כְּמִטַּלְטְלִין דָּמֵי; לְמָה לִי עוֹמֵד בְּתוֹכָהּ?

The Gemara reconsiders: But even according to your reasoning, one can ask: According to the second formulation of that which Rav Ika, son of Rav Ami, said, that the legal status of slaves is like that of movable property, why do I need the slaves to be standing within the borders of the land?

12b

הָא קַיְימָא לַן דְּלָא בָּעֵינַן צְבוּרִין!

Don’t we maintain that the halakha is that we do not need movable property to be piled up upon the land one acquires in order to acquire the movable property together with it?

אֶלָּא מַאי אִית לָךְ לְמֵימַר – שָׁאנֵי מִטַּלְטְלִי דְּנָיְידִי מִמִּטַּלְטְלִי דְּלָא נָיְידִי;

Rather, what have you to say? Perforce, movable property that moves around by itself, such as slaves, is different from movable property that does not move around by itself, i.e., inanimate objects. The halakha that movable property does not need to be piled up upon the land applies only to the latter. Accordingly, in order to acquire slaves together with land, they must be standing within its borders.

הָכָא נָמֵי, שָׁאנֵי מְקַרְקְעֵי דְּנָיְידִי מִמְּקַרְקְעֵי דְּלָא נָיְידִי. עַבְדָּא – מְקַרְקְעֵי דְּנָיְידִי הוּא, הָתָם – סַדָּנָא דְאַרְעָא חַד הוּא.

Given this distinction, one can say that here, also, an entity legally classified as land that moves around, such as a slave, is different from land that does not move around. Accordingly, a slave, which is classified as land that moves around, is not included in Shmuel’s ruling, as in his ruling there, he refers only to acquiring multiple plots of land, which is possible only because the crust [sadna] of the earth is one block, and therefore each field is really only one part of a bigger whole. This rationale does not permit acquiring land and slaves together, as a slave is not attached to the earth and is separate from the land.

נְכָסִים שֶׁאֵין בָּהֶן מְעִילָה וְכוּ׳.

§ The mishna teaches: One is liable only with regard to damage caused to property for which, were he to use it for a non-sacred purpose, he would not be liable for the misuse of consecrated property.

מְעִילָה הוּא דְּלֵית בְּהוּ, הָא מִקְדָּשׁ – קָדְשִׁי;

The Gemara infers: The property in question does not have the prohibition of misuse of consecrated property, but it is consecrated property, yet one is still liable for causing damage to it.

מַאן תַּנָּא? אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: בְּקָדָשִׁים קַלִּים – וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי, דְּאָמַר: מָמוֹן בְּעָלִים הוּא.

The Gemara asks: Who is the tanna who holds like this? The Gemara answers: Rabbi Yoḥanan said: The mishna is referring to offerings of lesser sanctity and is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili, who says that such offerings, before they are slaughtered, are considered property of their owners, as opposed to property of Heaven. It is only once such an offering is slaughtered that it becomes subject to the halakhot of misuse of consecrated property.

דְּתַנְיָא: ״וּמָעֲלָה מַעַל בַּה׳״ – לְרַבּוֹת קֳדָשִׁים קַלִּים שֶׁהֵן מָמוֹנוֹ, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי.

As it is taught in a baraita that concerning one who steals another’s property and takes a false oath denying he has done so, incurring the obligation to bring a guilt-offering, the verse states: “And commits a trespass against the Lord, and deals falsely with his neighbor” (Leviticus 5:21). The verse serves to include a case in which one denies having in his possession offerings of lesser sanctity, which are property of their owners. This is the statement of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili.

וְהָתְנַן: הַמְקַדֵּשׁ בְּחֶלְקוֹ, בֵּין בְּקׇדְשֵׁי קֳדָשִׁים בֵּין בְּקָדָשִׁים קַלִּים – אֵינָהּ מְקוּדֶּשֶׁת. לֵימָא דְּלָא כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי?

The Gemara asks: But didn’t we learn in the mishna (Kiddushin 52b): In the case of a priest who betroths a woman with his portion of an offering, whether it is from offerings of the most sacred order or from offerings of lesser sanctity, she is not betrothed? Shall we say that this mishna is not in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili?

אֲפִילּוּ תֵּימָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי, כִּי אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי – מֵחַיִּים, אֲבָל לְאַחַר שְׁחִיטָה – אֲפִילּוּ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי מוֹדֶה, דְּכִי קָא זָכוּ – מִשֻּׁלְחַן גָּבוֹהַּ קָא זָכוּ.

The Gemara suggests: You can even say that it is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili, as when Rabbi Yosei HaGelili said that offerings of lesser sanctity are the property of their owners, that applies only when the animal is still alive. But after its slaughter, even Rabbi Yosei HaGelili concedes that the offering takes on a higher degree of sanctity and is now the property of Heaven. As when they receive their portions, they do not receive them because those portions belong to them; rather, they receive them from the table of the Most High, i.e., they have the right to partake of them, but do not own them.

וּמֵחַיִּים מִי אָמַר? וְהָתְנַן: בְּכוֹר, מוֹכְרִין אוֹתוֹ תָּם – חַי (וְלֹא שָׁחוּט), וּבַעַל מוּם – חַי וְשָׁחוּט. וּמְקַדְּשִׁין בּוֹ אֶת הָאִשָּׁה.

The Gemara asks: But does he say his opinion only when the offering is still alive? But didn’t we learn in a mishna (Ma’aser Sheni 1:2): With regard to the male firstborn of a kosher animal, which is endowed upon its birth with the sanctity of an offering of lesser sanctity, a priest may sell it if it is unblemished and alive, but he may not sell it once it is slaughtered, as if an unblemished firstborn animal is slaughtered it is prohibited to derive benefit from it, and if it is blemished, one can sell it both when it is alive or after it is slaughtered, and one can betroth a woman with it. This mishna assumes that even when a firstborn animal is unblemished it is considered to be the property of the priest.

וְאָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא בְּכוֹר בַּזְּמַן הַזֶּה – דְּכֵיוָן דְּלָא חֲזֵי לְהַקְרָבָה, אִית לְהוּ לְכֹהֲנִים זְכִיָּיה בְּגַוֵּייהּו; אֲבָל בִּזְמַן שֶׁבֵּית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ קַיָּים – דַּחֲזֵי לְהַקְרָבָה, לָא.

And Rav Naḥman says that Rabba bar Avuh says: They taught this only with regard to the status of a firstborn animal in the present; since it is not fit to be sacrificed, as there is no Temple, the priests have ownership of it. But when the Temple is standing, in which case the animal is fit to be sacrificed, no. When the Temple is standing a priest may slaughter and eat the firstborn only if it becomes blemished. Nowadays, since it is not possible to offer it as a sacrifice, it is certain that the animal will eventually develop a blemish and the priest will then be permitted to slaughter and eat it. Consequently, the priest is considered to have ownership of the firstborn even before it develops any blemish.

וְאֵיתִיבֵיהּ רָבָא לְרַב נַחְמָן: ״וּמָעֲלָה מַעַל בַּה׳״ – לְרַבּוֹת קֳדָשִׁים קַלִּים שֶׁהֵן מָמוֹנוֹ, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי!

And Rava raised an objection to Rav Naḥman from the baraita cited above: The verse states: “A person who sins and commits a trespass against the Lord” (Leviticus 5:21). The verse serves to include a case in which one denies having in his possession offerings of lesser sanctity, as they are the property of their owners; this is the statement of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili. Rabbi Yosei HaGelili’s statement is clearly referring to a time when the Temple is standing, as it is based on a verse that continues to obligate one to bring a guilt-offering. Nevertheless, he states that offerings of lesser sanctity, of which a firstborn is an example, are considered to be the property of their owners even when they are unblemished.

וּמְשַׁנֵּי רָבִינָא: בִּבְכוֹר בְּחוּצָה לָאָרֶץ, וְאַלִּיבָּא דְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן דְּאָמַר: אִם בָּאוּ תְּמִימִים – יִקְרְבוּ. אִם בָּאוּ – אִין, לְכַתְּחִלָּה – לָא.

And Ravina answered that Rabbi Yosei HaGelili’s statement is said with regard to a firstborn outside of Eretz Yisrael, and is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon, who says: If firstborn animals came from outside of Eretz Yisrael to Eretz Yisrael and they are unblemished, they may be sacrificed on the altar. From Rabbi Shimon’s formulation it is apparent that if they came, then yes, they are sacrificed, but they should not be brought ab initio. Since the firstborn animals should not be brought to Eretz Yisrael, they are considered unfit to be sacrificed, and therefore they are considered to be the property of the priest even before they develop a blemish.

וְאִם אִיתָא דְּכִי אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי מָמוֹנוֹ הוּא – מֵחַיִּים,

It is apparent that Ravina understood Rav Naḥman’s qualification to be true even according to Rabbi Yosei HaGelili. Therefore, the Gemara asks: And if it is so that when Rabbi Yosei HaGelili said that an offering of lesser sanctity is the property of its owner, that was referring only to a situation when they are still alive,

Jerusalem Talmud Kilayim 2:5

Heinrich W. Guggenheimer, 1999-2015

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Jerusalem Talmud Kilayim

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Kilayim (“Mixtures”) is a tractate in Seder Zeraim (“Order of Seeds”) that discusses biblical prohibitions of mixed species, based in Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:9-11. These include planting certain mixtures of seeds, grafting different species of trees, growing plants other than grapevines in a vineyard, crossbreeding animals, working certain animals together, and mixing wool and linen in clothing.

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משנה: הָיָה רֹאשׁ תּוֹר חִטִּים וְנִכְנַס בְּתוֹךְ שֶׁל שְׂעוֹרִים מוּתָּר מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהוּא נִרְאֶה כְסוֹף שָׂדֵהוּ. שֶׁלּוֹ חִטִּים וְשֶׁל חֲבֵירוֹ מִין אַחֵר מוּתָּר לִסְמוֹךְ לוֹ מֵאוֹתוֹ הַמִּין. שֶׁלּוֹ חִטִּים וְשֶׁל חֲבֵירוֹ חִטִּים מוּתָּר לִסְמוֹךְ לוֹ תֶּלֶם שֶׁל פִּשְׁתָּן וְלֹא תֶּלֶם שֶׁל מִין אַחֵר. רִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹמֵר אֶחָד זֶרַע פִּשְׁתָּן וְאֶחָד כָּל־הַמִּינִין. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר אַף בְּאֶמְצַע שָׂדֵהוּ מוּתָּר לִבְדּוֹק בְּתֶלֶם שֶׁל פִּשְׁתָּן.

MISHNAH: A vertex of wheat coming close to a field of barley is permitted since it visibly is the end of its field. If someone’s field was sown with wheat and that of his neighbor with another kind, he may have of that kind adjacent to it. If both his and his neighbor’s fields were growing wheat, it is permitted that he have one row of flax adjacent to his, but no other kind. Rebbi Simeon says, either flax or any other kind. Rebbi Yose says, even in the middle of his field he may test a row for flax.

הלכה: רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ בְּשֵׁם חִזְקִיָּה רֹאשׁ תּוֹר הַבָּא מֵחוֹרֵבָה מוּתָּר. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא הָיָה רֹאשׁ תּוֹר הָא רֹאשׁ תּוֹר הַבָּא מֵחוֹרֵבָה אָסוּר.

HALAKHAH: Rebbi Simeon ben Laqish in the name of Ḥizqiah: A vertex from a dry spot is permitted! Rebbi Joḥanan said, they stated only: “A vertex of wheat;” hence, a vertex that comes from a dry spot is forbidden.

חִזְקִיָּה אָמַר מִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ בֵּית רוֹבַע וְכָל־שֶׁהוּ. אוֹתוֹ כָּל־שֶׁהוּא זוֹרֵעַ לְתוֹכוֹ כָּל־מִין שֶׁיִּרְצֶה. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן אֵינוֹ זוֹרֵעַ לְתוֹכוֹ אֶלָּא מִין אֶחָד בִּלְבַד. אָמַר רִבִּי זְעִירָא מוֹדֶה רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן שֶׁאִם הָיָה בֵּית רוֹבַע וּמֶחֱצָה שֶׁהוּא זוֹרֵעַ חֲצִי רוֹבַע מִכָּן וַחֲצִי רוֹבַע מִכָּן אוֹתוֹ חֲצִי רוֹבַע נִידּוֹן לְכָאן וּלְכָאן. מַתְנִיתָא פְּלִיגָא עַל רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן הָיוּ לוֹ שָׂדוֹת אַחַת זְרוּעָה חִיטִּין וְאַחַת זְרוּעָה שְׂעוֹרִין מוּתָּר לְהָבִיא תֵּבֶן בֵּינְתַיִם וְלִזְרוֹעַ אַחַת חִיטָּה וְאַחַת שְׂעוֹרָה מִפְּנֵי שֶׁהַחִיטִּין נִרְאוֹת בְּסוֹף שָׂדֵהוּ שֶׁל חִיטִּין וּשְׂעוֹרִין בְּסוֹף שָׂדֵהוּ שֶׁל שְׂעוֹרִין. מַה עָבַד לָהּ רִבִּי יוֹחָנָן. פָּתַר לָהּ כְּרִבִּי לִיעֶזֶר בֶּן יַעֲקֹב. דְּרִבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר בֶּן יַעֲקֹב אָמַר אֲפִילוּ חִיטָּה אַחַר חִיטָּה נִכְנֶסֶת לְתוֹךְ שֶׁל שְׂעוֹרִין וּשְׂעוֹרָה אַחַר שְׂעוֹרָה נִכְנֶסֶת לְתוֹךְ חִיטִּין מוּתָּר. מִפּנֵי שֶׁהַחִיטָּה אַחַר חִיטָּה נִכְנַס לְתוֹךְ שֶׁל שְׂעוֹרִין חיטים וּשְׂעוֹרָה אַחַר שְׂעוֹרָה נִכְנֶסֶת לְתוֹךְ שֶׁל שעורין. אֲבָל אִם הָֽיְתָה חִיטָּה אַחַת מוּבְלַעַת לְתוֹךְ שֶׁל שְׂעוֹרָה אוֹ שְׂעוֹרָה אַחַת מוּבְלַעַת בְּשֶׁל חִיטִּין הֲרֵי זֶה אָסוּר.

Ḥizqiah said, if somebody has slightly more than a bet rova‘, then in that excess he may sow anything he likes. Rebbi Joḥanan said, he may sow in it only one kind. Rebbi Zeïra said, Rebbi Joḥanan agrees that if he had a bet rova‘ and a half, he may sow half a bet rova‘ from either side and the last half bet rova‘ is valid for both sides. A baraita disagrees with Rebbi Joḥanan: “ If he had fields, one sown with wheat and the other sown with barley, he may bring straw in between and sow one side with wheat and the other with barley because the wheat looks like the end of the wheat field, and the barley like the end of the barley field.” What does Rebbi Joḥanan do with that? He explains it following Rebbi Eliezer ben Jacob, for Rebbi Eliezer ben Jacob said: “Even if wheat after wheat comes close to barley, barley after barley comes close to wheat, it is permitted.” For wheat after wheat only comes close to barley (wheat), barley after barley comes close to (barley) [wheat], but if only one wheat stalk is absorbed into the barley, or one stalk of barley is absorbed into the wheat, then that is forbidden.

מַה נָן קַייָמִין. אִם בְּמִתְכַּוֵּין לִבְדּוֹק אֲפִילוּ בְאֶמְצַע שָׂדֵהוּ מוּתָּר. אִם בְּשֶׁאֵינוֹ מִתְכַּוֵּין לִבְדּוֹק לוֹ לָמָּה לִי זֶרַע פִּשְׁתָּן אֲפִילוּ שְׁאָר כָּל־הַמִּינִין. מִתְכַּוֵּין לִבְדּוֹק אֲנָן קַייָמִין. רִבִּי יוֹסֵי לֹא חוֹשֵׁשׁ לְמַרְאִית הַעַיִן וְרַבָּנִין חָֽשְׁשׁוּ לְמַרְאִית הָעַיִן.

What are we dealing with? If he wants only to test, even in the middle of his field it should be permitted. If he does not intend only to test, why just linseed, and not any other kinds? We deal with the case he wants to test. Rebbi Yose does not worry about bad appearances; the rabbis worry about bad appearances.

רִבִּי שְׁמוּאֵל בְּשֵׁם רִבִּי זְעִירָא דְּרִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן הִיא דְּרִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אָמַר אֵין אָדָם מַקְדִּישׁ דָּבָר שֶׁאֵינוֹ שֶׁלּוֹ. רַב אָמַר אֵין אָדָם חוֹבֵשׁ דָּבָר שֶׁאֵינוֹ שֶׁלּוֹ. אָמַר רִבִּי יוֹנָה אַתְיָא דְּרַב כְּרִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן. כְּמַה דְּרִבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אָמַר אֵין אָדָם מַקְדִּישׁ דָּבָר שֶׁאֵינוֹ שֶׁלּוֹ כֵּן רַב אָמַר אֵין אָדָם חוֹבֵשׁ דָּבָר שֶׁאֵינוֹ שֶׁלּוֹ. בְּרַם כְּרַבָּנִין לֹא אַתְיָא.

Rebbi Samuel said in the name of Rebbi Zeïra, it is Rebbi Simeon’s, for Rebbi Simeon said, nobody can sanctify property that is not his own. Rav said, nobody can jail property that is not his own. Rebbi Jonah said, Rav comes out like Rebbi Simeon; just as Rebbi Simeon said, nobody can sanctify property that is not his own; so Rav said, nobody can jail property that is not his own. But it cannot be explained following the Sages.

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חֲמִשָּׁה קִנְיָנִים קָנָה לוֹ הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא בְעוֹלָמוֹ, וְאֵלּוּ הֵן, תּוֹרָה קִנְיָן אֶחָד, שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ קִנְיָן אֶחָד, אַבְרָהָם קִנְיָן אֶחָד, יִשְׂרָאֵל קִנְיָן אֶחָד, בֵּית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ קִנְיָן אֶחָד. תּוֹרָה מִנַּיִן, דִּכְתִיב (משלי ח), ה' קָנָנִי רֵאשִׁית דַּרְכּוֹ קֶדֶם מִפְעָלָיו מֵאָז. שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ קִנְיָן אֶחָד מִנַּיִן, דִּכְתִיב (ישעיה סו), כֹּה אָמַר ה' הַשָּׁמַיִם כִּסְאִי וְהָאָרֶץ הֲדֹם רַגְלָי אֵי זֶה בַיִת אֲשֶׁר תִּבְנוּ לִי וְאֵי זֶה מָקוֹם מְנוּחָתִי, וְאוֹמֵר (תהלים קד) מָה רַבּוּ מַעֲשֶׂיךָ ה' כֻּלָּם בְּחָכְמָה עָשִׂיתָ מָלְאָה הָאָרֶץ קִנְיָנֶךָ. אַבְרָהָם קִנְיָן אֶחָד מִנַּיִן, דִּכְתִיב (בראשית יד), וַיְבָרְכֵהוּ וַיֹּאמַר בָּרוּךְ אַבְרָם לְאֵל עֶלְיוֹן קֹנֵה שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ. יִשְׂרָאֵל קִנְיָן אֶחָד מִנַּיִן, דִּכְתִיב (שמות טו), עַד יַעֲבֹר עַמְּךָ ה' עַד יַעֲבֹר עַם זוּ קָנִיתָ, וְאוֹמֵר (תהלים טז) לִקְדוֹשִׁים אֲשֶׁר בָּאָרֶץ הֵמָּה וְאַדִּירֵי כָּל חֶפְצִי בָם. בֵּית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ קִנְיָן אֶחָד מִנַּיִן, דִּכְתִיב (שמות טו), מָכוֹן לְשִׁבְתְּךָ פָּעַלְתָּ ה' מִקְּדָשׁ ה' כּוֹנְנוּ יָדֶיךָ. וְאוֹמֵר (תהלים עח) וַיְבִיאֵם אֶל גְּבוּל קָדְשׁוֹ הַר זֶה קָנְתָה יְמִינוֹ:

Five possessions did the Holy Blessed One, set aside as his own in this world, and these are they: The Torah, one possession; Heaven and earth, another possession; Abraham, another possession; Israel, another possession; The Temple, another possession. 1a) The Torah is one possession. From where do we know this? Since it is written, “The Lord possessed (usually translated as ‘created’) me at the beginning of his course, at the first of His works of old” (Proverbs 8:22). 2a) Heaven and earth, another possession. From where do we know this? Since it is said: “Thus said the Lord: The heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool; Where could you build a house for Me, What place could serve as My abode? (Isaiah 66:1) And it says: “How many are the things You have made, O Lord; You have made them all with wisdom; the earth is full of Your possessions” (Psalms 104:24). 3a) Abraham is another possession. From where do we know this? Since it is written: “He blessed him, saying, “Blessed by Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth” (Genesis 15:19). 4a) Israel is another possession. From where do we know this? Since it is written: “Till Your people cross over, O Lord, Till Your people whom You have possessed” (Exodus 15:16). And it says: “As to the holy and mighty ones that are in the land, my whole desire (possession) is in them” (Psalms 16:3). 5a) The Temple is another possession. From where do we know this? Since it is said: “The sanctuary, O lord, which your hands have established” (Exodus 15:17”, And it says: “And He brought them to His holy realm, to the mountain, which His right hand had possessed” (Psalms 78:54).

 

I like to call out to all my Jewish friends:

Zechariah 8:23

 

23So said the Lord of Hosts: In those days, when ten men of all the languages of the nations shall take hold of the skirt of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."		כגכֹּֽה־אָמַר֘ יְהֹוָ֣ה צְבָאוֹת֒ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵ֔מָּה אֲשֶׁ֚ר יַֽחֲזִ֙יקוּ֙ עֲשָׂרָ֣ה אֲנָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל לְשֹׁנ֣וֹת הַגּוֹיִ֑ם וְֽהֶחֱזִ֡יקוּ בִּכְנַף֩ אִ֨ישׁ יְהוּדִ֜י לֵאמֹ֗ר נֵֽלְכָה֙ עִמָּכֶ֔ם כִּ֥י שָׁמַ֖עְנוּ אֱלֹהִ֥ים עִמָּכֶֽם:
ten men: from the seventy nations. This equals seven hundred for each corner. For the four corners of the tallith there will be two thousand and eight hundred.		עשרה אנשים: משבעים לשון הרי שבע מאות לכל כנף וכנף הרי לד' כנפי הטלית אלפים ושמונ' מאו':

That may come in fulfillment in our days:

Our souls are bearing the ‘sparks’ (divine aspects) of Messiah.

It is forbidden to pray to bow down to any other (god), and/or messiah, and/or before any image or to lift up a human being as a god…… or to put any other (god), and/or messiah, and/or any image before or instead or between HaShem and us. ('It suf')

“The redemption will come about only through the study of the Torah. And the essential redemption depends upon the study of the Kabbalah” According to: R. ELIYAHU, THE VILNA GAON (Evven Shelemah (a ‘complete, without defect stone’) 11:3)

When Yehuda and Ephraim come to unity (again) Messiah Ben Joseph 'died' and Messiah Ben David shall be revealed and anointed by the Israeli people as the Messiah-King of Israel. As YeshaYahu is teaching:

Isa 11:9 – 16 They do no evil nor destroy in all My set-apart mountain, for the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of Adonai as the waters cover the sea.

Rashi: knowledge of the Lord: [lit.] to know the Lord.

10 And on that day, there shall be a Root of Yishai, standing as a banner to the people. Unto Him the nations shall seek, and His rest shall be esteem.

Rashi: as a banner for peoples: that peoples should raise a banner to gather to him.

11 And it shall be in that day that Adonai sets His hand again a second time to recover the remnant of His people who are left, from Ashshur and from Mitsrayim, from Pathros and from Kush, from Ěylam and from Shin‛ar, from Ḥamath and from the islands of the sea.

Rashi: a second time: Just as he acquired them from Egypt, when their redemption was absolute, without subjugation, but the redemption preceding the building of the Second Temple is not counted, since they were subjugated to Cyrus.

and from the islands of the sea: the islands of the Kittim, the Romans, the descendants of Esau.

And he shall raise a banner: Perka, perche in O.F. [i.e., the verse is literally referring to the pole upon which the banner is attached.] And it shall be for a sign to gather to him and to bring the exiles of Israel to Him as a present.

12 And He shall raise a banner for the nations, and gather the outcasts of Yisra’ěl, and assemble the dispersed of Yehuḏa from the four corners of the earth.

13 And the envy of Ephrayim shall turn aside, and the adversaries of Yehuḏa be cut off. Ephrayim shall not envy Yehuḏa, and Yehuḏa not trouble Ephrayim.

Rashi: Ephraim shall not envy Judah: The Messiah, the son of David, and the Messiah, the son of Joseph, shall not envy each other.

14 But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west; together they plunder the people of the east, their hand stretching forth on Eḏom and Mo’aḇ, and the children of Ammon shall be subject to them.

Rashi: And they shall fly of one accord against the Philistines in the west: Heb. בְכָתֵף. Israel will fly and run of one accord against the Philistines who are in the west of Eretz Israel and conquer their land. [כָּתֵף, lit. a shoulder, is used in this case to denote unity. The word שֶׁכֶם, also lit. a shoulder, is used in a similar sense.] Comp. (Hoshea 6:9) “They murder on the way in unison (שֶׁכְמָה) ”; (Zeph. 3:9) “One accord (שְׁכֶם אֶחָד).” And so did Jonathan rendered it: And they shall join in one accord to smite the Philistines who are in the west.

and the children of Ammon shall obey them: As the Targum states: Will hearken to them. They will accept their commandments over them.

15 And Adonai shall put under the ban the tongue of the Sea of Mitsrayim, and He shall wave His hand over the River with the might of His Spirit, and shall strike it in the seven streams, and shall cause men to tread it in sandals.

Rashi: And… shall dry up: [lit. shall cut off] to dry it, so that the exiles of Israel will pass through it from Egypt.

over the river: The Euphrates River, for the exiles from Assyria to cross.

with the strength of His wind: Heb. בַּעְיָם. This is hapax legomenon in Scripture, and according to the context it can be interpreted as “with the strength of His wind.”

into seven streams: into seven segments, for the aforementioned seven exiles: from Assyria and from Egypt, etc. Those from the islands of the sea are not from that side.

and He shall lead: the exiles within it.

with shoes: on dry land.

16 And there shall be a highway for the remnant of His people, those left from Ashshur, as it was for Yisra’ěl in the day when he came up from the land of Mitsrayim.

Rashi: And there shall be a highway: in the midst of the water for the remnant of His people.

Please Judah if a righteous gentile tries ‘to grasp your ‘tsi-sit’ and say:  "Let me go with you, for I have heard that God is with you." Open your heart for him/her and share all our Torah. The Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu as it is written and spared and is teaches in the Tanach and all scripture of Rabbinical Judaism………

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'Israeli MK proposes dividing Temple Mount between Jews and Muslims

**AMIT HALEVI'S PLAN WOULD GIVE MUSLIMS CONTROL OF THE SOUTHERN END OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT COMPLEX, WHICH CONTAINS THE AL-AQSA MOSQUE, WHILE JEWS WOULD RECEIVE THE CENTRAL AND NORTHERN AREAS.

(JUNE 8, 2023 / JNS)**

A Likud lawmaker is proposing a plan to divide Jerusalem’s Temple Mount between Muslims and Jews and to remove Jordan’s custodial status over the holy site.

Speaking to the Zman Yisrael Hebrew news site, Knesset member Amit Halevi outlined a plan whereby Muslims would control the southern end of the 37-acre complex which contains the Al-Aqsa mosque, while Jews would receive the central and northern area, where the Dome of the Rock sits.

According to Halevi, the reorganization makes sense from a religious point of view because that part of the Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism, where it is believed the First and Second Temples stood. The Foundation Stone at the center of the Dome of the Rock is where Jewish sources place the Holy of Holies.

“This is the place of the First Temple and the place of the Second Temple built by Babylonian immigrants. No one needs to examine the stones to know that it is ours,” he said.

Halevi also wants to end Israel’s agreement with the Jordanian Waqf whereby the Islamic trust controls and manages Islamic edifices on the Temple Mount.

“Why not give them status in the Dizengoff Center [a large shopping mall in Tel Aviv] as well? This is a terrible mistake. This status should be abolished. I know it’s an agreement between countries, but we have to deal with it. It requires change, even if the process will take time,” he said.

In addition, Halevi wants to give Jews the same access to the Temple Mount enjoyed by Muslims. Currently, the Waqf only allows Jews and non-Muslim tourists access to the Temple Mount via the Maghrebi Gate and only at certain hours when the gate is open.

“We will take the northern end and pray there. The entire mountain is sacred to us, and the Dome of the Rock is the place on which the Temple stood. This should be our guideline,” he said. “Israel is leading. It will be a historical, religious and national statement. If this does not happen then you are not actually the owner of the house. You are a klutz. Why are you even going in there?”

Source: https://www.jns.org/israel-news/jerusalem/23/6/8/293752/

Please let we all, Jews and all their friends, take the Har HaBayit and start building the Temple and restoring her service?

כִּ֤י אִם־הֵיטֵיב֙ תֵּיטִ֔יבוּ אֶת־דַּרְכֵיכֶ֖ם וְאֶת־מַעַלְלֵיכֶ֑ם אִם־עָשׂ֤וֹ תַֽעֲשׂוּ֙ מִשְׁפָּ֔ט בֵּ֥ין אִ֖ישׁ וּבֵ֥ין רֵעֵֽהוּ׃

No, if you really mend your ways and your actions; if you execute justice between one party and another;

גֵּ֣ר יָת֤וֹם וְאַלְמָנָה֙ לֹ֣א תַעֲשֹׁ֔קוּ וְדָ֣ם נָקִ֔י אַֽל־תִּשְׁפְּכ֖וּ בַּמָּק֣וֹם הַזֶּ֑ה וְאַחֲרֵ֨י אֱלֹהִ֧ים אֲחֵרִ֛ים לֹ֥א תֵלְכ֖וּ לְרַ֥ע לָכֶֽם׃

if you do not oppress the stranger, the orphan, and the widow; if you do not shed the blood of the innocent in this place; if you do not follow other gods, to your own hurt—

וְשִׁכַּנְתִּ֤י אֶתְכֶם֙ בַּמָּק֣וֹם הַזֶּ֔ה בָּאָ֕רֶץ אֲשֶׁ֥ר נָתַ֖תִּי לַאֲבוֹתֵיכֶ֑ם לְמִן־עוֹלָ֖ם וְעַד־עוֹלָֽם׃

then only will I let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your ancestors for all time.

Ariel your Representee, Representee of Ephraim and adviser (not a rabbi but friendly adviser) of Bet Yisrael international on the Har HaBayit.

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